Relevant links[edit]

Inside Higher Ed - Opinion piece by Robert Cummings, with ensuing discussion among academics and others. The commenter who suggests Cummings be brought up for tenure review is Jon Awbrey, a banned former Wikipedian who comments on many Wikipedia-related stories in a similarly negative vein.
The Color Purple (film) (Wikirank statistics for the book and film articles, grokstats statistics for the film)
Durova's link - Potential restorations
Robert said in chat: "I would suggest that anyone who would like to author content on Wiki/Wikipedia writing assignments, who needs/wants academic credit for peer review of those contributions, consider: http://writingspaces.org/ "

Planning[edit]

Based on Awadewit's suggestion here, this is the organizing page for a podcast discussion of using Wikipedia as a teaching tool, particularly with editing assignments for students.

Interest list[edit]

Bob Cummings, author of Lazy Virtues: Teaching Writing in the Age of Wikipedia
User:Awadewit
User:Ragesoss
User:John Broughton
User:Bondegezou
User:Durova
User:Jbmurray?
User:JimmyButler
T. Mills Kelly
User:AEG English4994
your name here

Logistics[edit]

Later this week might be a good time to hold this discussion. Any preferred times or times that generally don't work?

Awadewit: Preferred times: Afternoon and evenings, EST
JimmyButler: Unfortunately my work hours are a tad long, 7:00AM - 7:30PM EST; however, if there is an opening I would be delighted to share. If not, then perhaps my students would offer an interesting perspective on such projects. I have two in mind; one that has reached FA and another currently dealing with the frustrations. Both are articulate - both would offer honest insights.

Also, we need someone with podcast experience to do the recording. Volunteers?

Potential times[edit]

Tuesday night, March 31/April 1: 00:30 UTC ( 8:30 PM EST; 5:30 PM PST)
- Works for me.--ragesoss (talk) 20:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Me too. Awadewit (talk) 21:24, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sorry - As of the 30 of ~~April~~ March my second job starts, which carries me through 9:45 PM. Other than Sunday - I work from 7:00 AM until 9:45 PM. Maybe it is best to count me out - at least until my daughter finishes college four years from now.--JimmyButler (talk) 13:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - This is 31 March, though. Awadewit (talk) 04:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - oops - I thought this was April --- working two full time jobs is taking a toll! We start driving from 3:00 - 9:00 Monday (March 30).--JimmyButler (talk) 20:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be possible to move it up a couple of hours? I might have interruptions that late in the day. Durova^Charge! 05:09, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- That works for me. I proposed it that late in an attempt to accommodate JimmyButler, but that's moot now. 22:30 UTC March 31?--ragesoss (talk) 05:23, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm fairly flexible on this - 22:30 UTC (6:30 p.m. EST) works for me. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 12:03, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - March 31st at 6:30 p.m. EST works for me. AEG English4994 (talk) 14:29, 28 March 2009 (UTC)AEG English4994[reply]
    - Perfect. :) Durova^Charge! 16:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - Works for me, too. Awadewit (talk) 16:34, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        I think that's roughly a quorum. I'll let Mills Kelly and Robert Cummings know.--ragesoss (talk) 17:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Topics for discussion[edit]

Lazy Virtues: Teaching Writing in the Age of Wikipedia
- Lazyness
- Using theory to understand Wikipedia (economic theory, rhetorical theory, other possibilities)
Student attitudes to Wikipedia
Teacher attitudes to Wikipedia
What works, what doesn't and why
Sample assignments and the benefits of each to students and to Wikipedia
"Home-base" for assignments - on or off wiki?
Using wiki software to create assignments apart from Wikipedia
whatever you want to discuss

Report on discussion[edit]

I just found out about this discussion. If you had an interesting discussion, perhaps you could include a short report in the Signpost? I think the usefulness of Wikipedia in schools is a topic of wide interest. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:32, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to point to this discussion when we publish the in-progress reviews of Lazy Virtues.--ragesoss (talk) 23:25, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]