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Categorization[edit]

There is no ethnic group of "Ancients" (extremely elderly) in Macedonia, nor are "Ancient Macedonians" related to ethnic modern Greeks currently living in Macedonia.

--William Allen Simpson 21:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do not add the supra-categories of Category:Ancient Macedon, see Wikipedia:Categorization/Categories and subcategories. Categories are a tree, not a flat file.

--William Allen Simpson 01:22, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Each category can appear in more than one parent category. Multiple categorization schemes co-exist simultaneously. In other words, categories do not form a strict hierarchy or tree structure, but a more general directed acyclic graph, see Wikipedia:Categorization#Categories do not form a tree So, Ancient Macedonians can be at the same time Ancient Greeks and Macedonians. Andreas ^(T) 01:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient Greece has the subcategory Ancient Macedon, and Ancient Greeks has the subcatebory Ancient Macedonians. I do not see where there is a double cateborization here. Somebody who landed at the category Ancient Greeks must have the possibility to find Alexander the Great, who is an ancient Macedonian, therefore, there must be a subcategory Ancient Macedonians. This is the reason for my last edit. Andreas ^(T) 01:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC) ^(T) 02:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

These are the Category:Ancient peoples of Category:Ancient Macedon.

Category:Ancient Macedon is a geography category, and doesn't belong in the "peoples of" or the "modern states".

Ancient Greece was ended by Alexander of Macedon, who is notable enough to have his own category. Category:Alexander the Great is categorized by Category:Macedonian monarchs (a subcategory here), and Category:Ancient Greeks (by conquest), and Category:Monarchs of Persia (by conquuest), and Category:Pharaohs (by conquest). After that, it's called Hellenistic civilization.

Thank you for bringing the incorrect categorization elsewhere to our attention.

--William Allen Simpson 12:24, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient Greece was not ended by Alexander of Macedon, it was extended by him and his Generals. Unless you believe that when someone says Ancient Greece they only mean the Athenian Democratic city state system. The Ancient Kingdom of Macedon was part of the Ancient Greek world at least from the time period of Alexander I of Macedon, that's a century before King Philip II of Macedon was even born and the Hellenistic age even started. King Archelaus established the new capital at Pella, a festival in honor of Zeus at Dion (a city right next to Mt. Olympus), and welcomed Southern Greek intellectuals into the kingdom. Euripides the Athenian wrote his last two tragedies at Archelaus' court. So making the claim that Alexander "ended" Ancient Greece not only is false but goes against what the Classics tell us. As it was noted above, "each category can appear in more than one parent category" and since Ancient Macedonia played an important historical role in spreading Ancient Greek culture beyon its regional area and historicaly it was part of that category, it should be categorized under Category:Ancient Greece too. ~Mallaccaos, 25 May 2006

Ethnic groups is ...[edit]

The categories Ethnic groups in ... imho refer to the present-day situation. Else, Category:Ancient Gauls should be in Category:Ethnic groups in France, etc. I added Category:ethnic groups in Greece as a response to [this], but I am not happy with it. Andreas ^(T) 14:25, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but ancient macedonians aren't an ethnic group, nor are they in modern Greece. Also, there's a very popular proposal to do away with all "ethnic" categories.

--William Allen Simpson 08:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I thought Macedonia covers the entire region of Macedonia and not only Greek Macedonia. Again these categories should reflect the entire history of the region and not just the modern situation. User:Dimadick

Which is why its categorized under the Category:Macedonia, but it should also be categorized under the Ancient Greece category since historicaly it was part of that category and it played a huge role in spreading Greek ideas, cultures, and the language beyong its region. ~Mallaccaos, 25 May 2006

That makes sense to me. Category:Ancient Greeks is not a modern ethnic category, but a historical cultural-linguisitc category. The same is true of Category:Roman-era Greeks, for example: Some of these may have been "ethnic Greeks", while others may have been Hellenized ethnic Egyptians, or something else entirely (we often don't know), but they were clearly ancient Greeks in the cultural-linguistic sense that historians mean the term, and it would be fairly silly to say otherwise. --Delirium 12:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]