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Notability

Regarding the deletion proposal, I disagree that she's not notable. She appeared on Later with Jools Holland in June earlier this year (http://www.bbc.co.uk/later/show/) and one of her records (Hometown Glory) was played on 3rd September 2007 on Zane Lowes's Radio 1 music show as his "Hottest Record In The World". There's also an article on The Observer's website about her and Kate Nash (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,,1992210,00.html) and her MySpace page comes up as the first result in a Google search on "Adele". So I'd say in terms of notability she's certainly on the radar. --82.68.44.150 19:29, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

This article should be deleted?? I don't think so. She is - if not now, although rapidly becoming - very notable. Tune in, and watch... :) --andreasegde (talk) 20:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

yeah, lol not sure if this two time grammy award winner, brit award winner, record breaking singer is notable . Do you think the person who suggested it was a justin beiber fan lol 2.102.189.212 (talk) 01:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC) She has won 9 Grammy awards.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.61.17.168 (talk) 15:58, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

ARE YOU FUCKED? Check the date before commenting you idiot. 99.237.6.129 (talk) 07:14, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Tottenham

from Tottenham, South London. It's in North London 78.86.13.170 (talk) 20:00, 16 December 2007 (UTC)Elise

Label

I'm confused - the label info in the article doesn't gel with that in the infobox. Wwwhatsup (talk) 22:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

"Small Britain gigs"

Has Adele played "small Britain gigs", or small UK gigs? The Baroness of Morden (talk) 22:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC) Okay, I see it has been amended. The Baroness of Morden (talk) 22:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Chasing Pavements

Does anybody know what the hell this means?... I chased a pavement once. I caught up with it immediately. 217.154.153.2 (talk) 11:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I can't reply to that because this ain't a forum. Just listen to the chorus. Starczamora (talk) 13:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
First of all you can reply to it, get a grip of yourself and secondly Im sure even a pavement could outrun her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.207.65 (talk) 23:43, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I think it's a fair question, and an interpretation of the meaning of the song, particularly if it can be referenced, would not be amiss in the article. Wwwhatsup (talk) 04:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
I read in a newspaper interview (although I forget which one, which is useless) that it was about her having an argument with her boyfriend and chasing pavements means to 'run away' in this context —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.72.24 (talk) 19:02, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Chasing Pavements is one of adele's songs ----AliciaTanROX (talk) 06:04, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Bisexual boyfriend?

The Daily Star is used as a source, and tabloids are not particularly desirable sources in BLPs. Thoughts?--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 18:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I am not really keen on the accuracy of articles on the British press, but it seems like there is a need for further references on that one. Starczamora (talk) 13:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
A bit late with this comment but the primary source is not the Daily Star but a direct quote by Adele herself. It would have been better if she said that to a more mainstream or music news source but that has not happened Edkollin (talk) 21:07,16 August 2008(UTC)

Discography

"Adele told Spin Magazine that "He listened to all this amazing country music and we'd rock out late at night" should be "She..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.152.79 (talk) 00:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Is there a reason why the whole singles chart was removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jammy2 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Personal life

This is written appallingly. It reads like a PR factsheet and *sigh* 'in a style not appropriate for a respectable encyclopedia like Wikerpedia' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.46.3 (talk) 02:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll second that. It applies to other sections as well. 79.180.229.177 (talk) 14:25, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Reference to African-American school is bizarre, as she is English-educated. And the article cited as reference does not support the related sentence at all. ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by K8cruz (talk • contribs) 03:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Unanswered and of interest to many readers is why is her love songs so sad. The reason is that she was in an 18 month relationship with a 30 year old man. The man broke up so she thought he was not ready for marriage. Yet, he soon married someone else, another woman (not another man). This made her feel hurt. There are sources to back this up. If they can be found, it would answer many readers' questions. Auchansa (talk) 03:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Platinum status: differing thresholds in US/UK?

The article intro states she was awarded at platinum album for selling 500,000 copies. According to the Recording Industry Association of America, this number is the threshold for Gold status; Platinum status is awarded to an album/single/digital download only after 1M "units" have been moved.

A little history:

The RIAA instituted (and trademarked) the Gold Record in 1958, with the first one being awarded to Perry Como for his single "Catch a Falling Star." The Platinum award was instituted in 1976 for singles/albums selling more than 1M units. In the mid-80s, the RIAA created the Multi-Platinum award for selling for than 2M copies. (for more info see: RIAA Celebrates 50 Years Of Gold Records)

Perhaps the British standard is different? If someone knows, they should add this to the article or at least to the footnote; as well as adding the UK body which gives the awards. Until then, I'm going to change the status for her album 19 from platinum to gold.

If you're interested: here's a list of all artists which have sold more than 10,250,000; that # belonging to (Avril Lavinge with The Beatles at the top with 170,000,000 career units (42M (!) more than No. 2, Garth Brooks) in the US. It also contains some interesting surprises (e.g. especially Frank Sinatra's relatively low total: selling only 500K more units than Rush in a career nearly twice as long). PainMan (talk) 18:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the thresholds are different, they vary from country to country with the USA having the highest one iirc, but I'm to lazy to find out more about it now. -somebody —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.16.63.194 (talk) 20:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Chasing Pavements wrong meaning clarification

I put in that Adele claimed she was banned from several U.S. radio stations because "Chassing Pavements" was misunderstood as a reference to homosexuality. I took it out as Adele has clarified this on her MySpace blog

"I got told about a quote thats been circling around about me saying chasing pavements got banned from some U.S radio stations because of a "hidden meaning" behind it. (there is no hidden meaning behind it by the way, its just about me running away)

i did say this, partially as a joke! but there was one radio station that wouldn't play it because apparently its slang for anal sex as well...but they are playing it now. and ive been completely misquoted and put out of context with it.

ive read some things saying you lot think i dont feel welcomed in america because of it. i couldnt feel more welcomed in fact. and i'd like you all to know that YOUR support is phenomenal, as is radio and tv too!

im very sorry if any of you got offended in any way by it, i was just answering the question of "hows it going in america?" and obviously they forgot to mention how chuffed i am with whats going on in every way possible! see you all again soon lots of love" Edkollin (talk) 07:38, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Soul

Just noticed clicking on the Soul genre of music brings you to the main "soul" page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.78.57.108 (talk) 07:57, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed Edkollin (talk) 10:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Name

I think the page should be Adele Adkins, but have Adele (singer)redirect at the this page. --92.17.78.91 (talk) 14:18, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I do think that you have a point. Alesha Dixon, Beyoncé Knowles all have their last names, however in their career they go both go just in the names under Alesha and Beyoncé. Due to WP:LASTNAME, i think the page should be moved. --SATURDAYmight. (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
WP:LASTNAME has nothing to do with this topic. Nymf hideliho! 20:46, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Adele doesn't go by her last name in her career. Either do Alesha Dixon or Beyoncé, they have their last names on their pages. Adele should have her last name on the page. --SATURDAYmight. (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
That is not an argument. See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. You will have to source that Adele uses her last name professionally. For now Adele is the WP:COMMONNAME. Nymf hideliho! 21:12, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
Adele does use her surname professionally, for example in the credits of her albums' liner notes. 76.201.157.165 (talk) 04:43, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
I think it should be Adele Adkins. I looked up Adele and it came up with the meaning of the name. I had to click on Adele (singer)----AliciaTanROX (talk) 05:59, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Who wants to request for move? ----AliciaTanROX (talk) 06:00, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Date of birth

Which is it? The artiucle currently has both 5th May 1988 and 21st May 1988. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.53.109 (talk) 12:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

{{movenotice|Adele|Talk:Adele (name)}} Please discuss at Talk:Adele (name)#Requested move, not here. Station1 (talk) 22:16, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Why not English?

Why is she listed as British and not English (last time I looked London was in England) when it seems pretty standard practice on Wiki to list people according to whether they're English, Scotish or Welsh. You won't find any Scottish or Welsh figures listed as British.Surely this needs changing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.14.131.250 (talk) 13:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I thought that British and English were the same. They are, aren't they?----AliciaTanROX (talk) 06:04, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
No, they're not. English people are British but the latter includes a number of other nationalities. See the British people article for an explanation. Adele is both British and English. I don't know if it's official WP policy but there is a tendency to categorise people and things as tightly as possible, so English would seem to be the preferred designation for the subject of this article. 83.104.249.240 (talk) 23:23, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
Then just call her a londoner/londonite and skip the English vs British stuff all-together. | pulmonological talk • contribs 04:52, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
I totally read that as "...just call her a luditer/ludite and skip..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.6.129 (talk) 07:11, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Why the Hell have you got a wikipedia account if you don't know the difference between British and English? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.150.139.212 (talk) 09:13, 13 February 2012 (UTC) Adele is British. She is also English, but that is roughly equivalent to saying that she comes from Texas, rather than saying she comes from the USA. 'British' is a nationality, 'English' is an origin below that level. The ultimate criterion should be her personal perception of her roots, but British is the natural default. (contributed by a Brit who is also English) Vronks (talk) 02:03, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

That's rubbish because Texas is a STATE with no separate ethnic identity from the rest of America, whereas England is a constituent country of the UK with its own unique yet diverse ethnic identity. Why is it that many of the UK's greatest singers come from England, yet we're not allowed to call them English? Like someone said above, you won't find any Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish figures listed as "British", and this double standard is becoming increasingly annoying. And I must say I am so fed up of English "Brits" helping to erase the existence of the English identity for reasons known only to themselves - presumably to pacify their Anglophobic, seperatist Celtic neighbours. Perhaps you should take a leaf out of their book and find some national backbone. The sooner the word is reclaimed from the likes of the EDL the better! Anyway, seems to me that more people here think Adele should be "English" than "British", so that should be amended forthwith (though I'm sure it won't). (contributed by a person of multiracial heritage who was born and raised in England and thus considers "English" a perfectly acceptable word to describe himself and others like him and can't understand why the English themselves have such an aversion to the word!) 81.178.242.126 (talk) 03:47, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Lead

Chart numbers, chart records and weekly sales do NOT belong in the lead! --12345abcxyz20082009 (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree. I came to the Discussion page solely because I saw the Lead and said, "Boy this seems way too big and disorganized. It's unusual." However, I don't know enough about it to correct it. I don't even know how to sign this comment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.73.56 (talk) 14:10, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Can you guys be specific about what does not belong, I'd be happy to sort it out (: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixer23 (talk • contribs) 11:27, 28 October 2011

Birth and Origin

How can someones birthplace and "origin" be different places?? By definition you originate from your place of birth. Also, if other websites stating that she was actually born in Enfield are true then strictly speaking she wasn't born in London as Enfield, despite being on the northern border of London doesn't have a London post code and is actually a seperate town. There does seem to be a lot of confusion over exactly where she was born. Her website doesn't give any definitive information in this respect. 82.45.124.228 (talk) 18:11, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Ones birthplace and origin can be different. For example, take Kanye West who was born in Georgia but grew up in and associates with Illinois. Conversely take Ludacris, who was born in Illinois but grew up in and associates with Georgia. That's the difference between one's birthplace and origin. As for Adele, she was born in Enfield, spent her early childhood in Tottenham and most of her pre-teen and teenage years growing up in West Norwood, which is the area she associates with most. Her favorite food is Poop and crapplepies. She thinks americans are mean because of one encounter with the police. She shot one with a tranq gun, but was released due to a concert she had the next day and they knew americans would be dissappointed. and her other best friend is Kyla McDuffer of Orange County, California. Southlondoneye (talk) 08:46, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Awards

Update the awards section. --84.125.216.218 (talk) 12:46, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 72.91.242.46, 8 September 2011

Bad Picture 72.91.242.46 (talk) 23:15, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

This is not an actionable request. You're welcome to upload a better picture yourself if you have one, though it would need to comply with Wikipedia's Image use policy. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 13:58, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Contralto

So I'm not even the slightest bit knowledgeable about operatic vocal classification. I was kind of curious, however, about who was qualified to judge what classification somebody's voice might fall under specifically; investigating the citation behind "contralto," it appears to lead to The Seattle Times, where "Andrew Gilbert" refers to Adele as a contralto in a rather off-hand fashion. Is this enough to classify Adele as a contralto via Wikipedia policy? I honestly am not sure, so I thought I might just raise the point. 64.253.217.55 (talk) 04:21, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if you'd be able to find reputable sources discussing her voice. If anyone does, they can post it here or discuss it. Fixer23 (talk) 10:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Weight

Shouldn't we mention her weight because a lot of media outlets take her to task for being obese?24.112.141.168 (talk) 16:01, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Why not, if you can find a few reputable sources, you can make an edit request (: Fixer23 (talk) 10:24, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Obese? Really? Seems a little extreme if you ask me. Obese refers to a person who has a BMI greater than 30, and causes serious health complications. She's not really THAT big. Overweight would be a better word. I don't think what a tabloid piece says is notable though, if there was some sort of reputable source that shows notability then it would be worth it, but I really doubt there is. DavidSSabb (talk) 19:46, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Adele will undergo surgery for persistent throat problems and has canceled all performances through the end of the year, a representative said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.251.20.2 (talk) 17:34, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Which has nothing to do with her weight and everything to do with her GERD. 108.67.74.134 (talk) 18:00, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Can I just suggest that discussion of Adele's body weight has nothing but nothing to do with Wikipedia! This is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a gossip rag. Suggestion: look up in an encyclopedia you choose the following: Immanuel Kant, Ludwig van Beethoven, Karl Marx. Now does any of the entries mention their weight? No? Then forget weight. Wikipedia is not a gossip rag. Vronks (talk) 02:10, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, there are many reports, such as the Daily Mail, Wall Street Journal, and others that report that Karl Legerfeld called her fat then said sorry. See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2097488/Karl-Lagerfeld-slates-Adeles-image-backtracking-comments.html However, I am sensitive that calling someone fat in Wikipedia is potentially hurtful, even if there is a reliable citation. It may even border on a BLP violation so I would advise anyone to think hard before adding it. Auchansa (talk) 03:41, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Vronks is right. Heck, the Chris Farley page makes just a single reference to his weight. I think if criticism for Adele's weight is an issue, it's less of an issue of her in particular than an issue of society's continued sexist attitudes about body image. BBrucker2 (talk) 07:58, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Voice Issues

{{edit semi-protected}} It may be significant that she is having surgery to address voice issues and has canceled remaining 2011 live dates and promotional appearances. [[1]] 184.9.14.6 (talk) 01:24, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Here's another source [2] --67.251.113.21 (talk) 00:54, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
You didn't make it very clear what was wanted; I did my best, and added In 2011, Adele was reported to be undergoing surgery "to alleviate the current issues with her throat" under "2010–present: 21 and breaking records" (with the refs). In future, please say exactly what we should add or change, thanks.  Chzz  ►  05:59, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

 Done

If I may make a suggestion, shouldn't her health issues have its own subsection within the album or even in the personal info sections? It is significant enough to warrant so, particularly since I think this may be an ongoing problem. --Hourick (talk) 16:47, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Ugly Betty Appearance

She appeared in an episode of Ugly Betty, as herself and sang, during the 22th episode of season 3, "In The Stars". This should appear, I think is her only appearance on any kind of TV Show (Fiction). The episode aired on May 14th, 2009. [3] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lyserg16 (talk • contribs) 16:12, 4 December 2011

Edit request on 26 December 2011

Adele, has sold 20 million albums worldwide which are from her two albums, her debut '19' which has sold 4 million copies worldwide and her follow up sophomore album '21' which has sold 16 million copies worldwide both as of December 2011. http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/16075504

Masonrudd12 (talk) 14:53, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Not done: {{edit semi-protected}} is not required for edits to semi-protected, unprotected pages, or pending changes protected pages. --Bryce (talk | contribs) 07:40, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Filmography: wrong year for Ushi

I have seen video of the Ushi interview. So it does exist. But the year, 2001, MUST be wrong. Adele is clearly at least 20 in the interview, but if it were from 2001, she'd be 13 years old. IMDB has the date listed as 2001, also (see: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0318156/ ). The video is viewable at the Adele wiki, where it also lists the video as being from 2001 (see: http://adele.wikia.com/wiki/Ushi_Says:_Hi! ). Quite bizarre! I haven't found the true date yet, but I'm guessing it is from 2010, based on what Adele looks like in the video. Edit: I found the Ushi video interview of Adele posted on YouTube Sept. 10, 2010 at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCa7Xif3pXg. Shoe (talk) 16:29, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Found it! December 5, 2009 is the publication date for the Ushi & Dushi show interview of Adele. It is listed in Dutch, here: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ushi_%26_Dushi It was a comedy show in the Nederlands, and has since been rebroadcast on Comedy Central. In looking this up, I figured out that the interview is a hoax/punk'd kind of thing. The interviewer's real name is Wendy van Dijk. I also saw that the IMDB site has been messed with. Someone is having a good time on this, trying to mess with people's minds. Shoe (talk) 17:34, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Possible trolling

There's no way she's ACTUALLY signed to a label called "extra large". That HAS to be a troll. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.6.129 (talk) 07:09, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

As unbelievable as that may be, she did. [4] Shuipzv3 (talk) 07:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Encyclopedia style for refering to persons

Hello. The subject of this article is named Adele Laurie Blue Adkins, but the article text her 'Adele' throughout. 'Adele' is her chosen stage name, but proper encyclopedic style should be to use her last name to refer to her in the text. Compare the article on 50 cent, which correctly refers to him by his last name 'Jackson'. Accordingly I think that general references to the subject in the text should be changed from 'Adele' to 'Adkins', since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a pop music magazine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.91.146.116 (talk) 22:16, 13 February 2012‎

See WP:COMMONNAME. Adele is the most common name associated with her, and very few people looking Adele up would know her full name. For the same reason, Eminem is not referred to with his last name Mathers, and United Kingdom is not referred to by its full name, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Shuipzv3 (talk) 11:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I see you have had filed similar requests at other articles such as Bono, but if we are to name the article Adele (since that is the most common name she is known as, and like you said it is her chosen stage name), then switch to Adkins for the rest of the article, that would confuse a lot of readers. Shuipzv3 (talk) 12:05, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 February 2012

reference 114 as quoted need to be censored for obsenity.

Ngordontt (talk) 14:07, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

 Not done, Wikipedia is not censored--Jac16888 Talk 14:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Archiving this talk page

This page has threads dating back to 2007. It is time to archive this page. Shuipzv3 (talk) 21:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Acknowledgement

On the day after The Baftas 2012, Lady Gaga wrote on her Facebook page "What a beautiful night last night was, Adele deserved every award she won and perhaps an extra one for being such a kind and lovely woman." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.122.90.91 (talk) 01:37, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

IPA

There is no need for a "(pronounced...)" IPA link here. Her using "Adele" only as one name makes the name seem less common, when it actually is common. She has been massively famous for a while now like Madonna and Duffy so there is no point to this redundant info. It goes against Wikipedia guidelines. The IPA pronunciation is on the Adele name page, where there are 100 other Adeles listed. John Cengiz talk 06:59, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Spelling Error - 'Personal Life'

Just a small change, but in the 'Personal Life' section it says she's renting a mansion with 'boyfiend Simon Kusecki.'

I imagine this should read 'boyfriend Simon Kusecki.'

24.146.20.130 (talk) 04:48, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done The error has been fixed. Shuipzv3 (talk) 05:29, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 February 2012


Adelefan21 (talk) 20:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

What is your edit request? Shuipzv3 (talk) 22:05, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Miles Robertson

I think it would be worth mentioning on Adele's site the pianist who accompanies her everywhere and is her prima musical colleague, if I understand matters right. Does anyone know better?

Vronks (talk) 01:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request February 22 2012

February 22 (or 23rd, depending on your part of the world) marked the 21st non-consecutive week that her album “21” has spent on the Billboard charts. This broke the previous record for the longest running No 1 album by a woman set by Whitney Houston with “The Bodyguard” in 1992. This is a notable event and should be included, but I can't edit the page directly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/click-track/post/adele-breaks-billboard-record-wins-more-awards-howard-theater-set-to-open-in-dc/2012/02/22/gIQAhurITR_blog.html

http://www.firstpost.com/bollywood/adele-breaks-whitney-houstons-chart-record-222321.html

Broadheada (talk) 04:06, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 16 March 2012

As of March 14, 2012 Adele's reign of 23 consecutive weeks atop the the Billboard 200 at No. 1 [List for the Top Selling Albums in America] formally ended. "21" was barely nudged out of 1st place by Bruce Springsteen's release of his new Album "Wrecking Ball" by less than 2,000 albums -per Billboard.com, 15March2012 Sitting firmly at No.2, to date "21" has sold more than 23 Million Albums Worldwide [per worldcharts.com] and has never dipped below No5 in the Billboard 200 since "21" was released 55 weeks ago, back in January 2011. - per Billboard.com, MTV.com 15Mar2012

Nybunnymom (talk) 09:12, 16 March 2012 (UTC) Thank you. I had added this info/relevant figures to date back in Jan2012 but I did not go thru this process. Sorry. Trying to add culmative sales figures & "21" just knocked out of no1 spot that "21" earned for 23 consecutive weeks spanning Dec 25, 2011 through 14 March 2012. While she failed to tie Prince & Saturday Night Fever for 8th place, Adele's "21" is firmly seated at no7 for "21" remaining atop of the Billboard 200. 2 Albums released; 23 years of Age; 25+ MILLION Albums sold Worldwide to date. You would think Wikipedia would include these highlighted achievements & facts to the singer's Bio Page. Nobody has sold as many Albums in as short of time since 1985!! Hello!! Wikipedia editors...are you paying attention?????

Not done: I can't make out what exactly you are requesting. Could you express it in a 'please change X to Y' degree of detail and provide the actual URLs of the sources? Thanks, Celestra (talk) 05:40, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Isn't it Strange...?

Isn't it strange that this "Adele" errierly resembles the recently deceased artist "Teena Marie"? Further coindidence is that Teena Marie was ready for a comeback, and also poised to receive music industry honors when she mysteriously died? I also take issue with "Adele"s music style, which sounds so much like K.T. Tunstall ("Black Horses and a Cherry Tree"). --67.86.111.161 (talk) 04:42, 22 March 2012 (UTC)--67.86.111.161 (talk) 04:44, 22 March 2012 (UTC)Veryverser — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.86.111.161 (talk)

Not sure what the above has got to do with anything - implying what ? PS if you are going to use a word then spell it properly (eerily). Also 'what does take issue' mean - no singer can ever in any way sound like any other singer ever? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.97.81.180 (talk) 15:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Favonian (talk) 20:14, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

– A discussion almost a year ago indicated some interest in this arrangement. Though participation was low, a slim majority favored it; only the nominator and one other editor favored what became the status quo. Since then, the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC argument for Adele (the singer) has only gotten stronger, especially as evidenced by her Grammy haul. The comparison to Madonna in that previous discussion is misleading, as that term has a broad and long historic usage having nothing to do with the singer. No one else with the given name or surname "Adele" seems to use it as a mononym, and it's reasonable to assume that users interested in the name in general will use (name), whereas the majority of users who simply type in "Adele" are indeed looking for the singer. BDD (talk) 18:59, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Oppose Madonna isn't the singer. This is WP:RECENTISM since she is a very recent star, unlike Madonna. 70.24.244.198 (talk) 03:44, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
    • I'm feeling neutral on this, but actually look at the Adele dab page and the Madonna one. You are comparing apples with oranges. Jenks24 (talk) 05:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
    • IP editor, did you read my proposal? Madonna is an entirely different situation, given the religious significance of the term, which I think it's safe to say would be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of its own had the singer of the same name never enjoyed such success. I'm not suggesting that "Adele" only refers to this person, simply that this is a clear case of a primary topic. --BDD (talk) 15:01, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose replacing a clearly meaningful and informative title with one that to most people means nothing at all. Recentism; unhelpful and mechanical adherence to rules that are intended to aid readers, not get them stuck in mud for zero compensating benefit. NoeticaTea? 06:33, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose. per what Noetica said. Softlavender (talk) 09:08, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment I don't think the recentism argument holds water. Yes, she's been very successful recently, but the Grammys have recognized her recent success as historically significant. If I may engage in a bit of WP:CRYSTALBALL, it's possible that at some point in the future, many artists will overshadow Adele's achievements, but until then, she remains by far the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. --BDD (talk) 14:57, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The recentism argument is relevant. If Wikipedia had existed in the Beatlemania era, we would no doubt have had serious proposals to rename the articles on the members of the Beatles to John, Paul, George and Ringo, with no further disambiguation. The case then would have been far stronger for those moves than the case for this one is now, but (with the possible exception of Ringo) the proposals would have been in glorious hindsight quite ridiculous. That is the problem that we term recentism. Andrewa (talk) 16:15, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Oppose The point about "Madonna" is not accurate since "Adele" is far more broad ranging and notable with all the entries on the Adele (disambiguation) and Adele page.

Here are some mononymous singers, some very famous:

And others less so:

Most mononymous singers use a name that has a broad and long historic usage that has nothing to do with the singer. John Cengiz talk 19:14, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Support. The singer got 980,000 page views in the last 30 days, the name article got 100,000. The name article was getting 10,000 to 15,000 views a month until late 2010.[5] So the vast majority of the current views represent readers looking for the singer's article who've gotten sidetracked. Hey, I never heard of the subject either. But that's not the basis we should be deciding this on. Using current stats is standard procedure and has nothing to do with recentism. Predicting her furture and basing a vote on that is to look into the notorious WP:CRYSTALBALL. Kauffner (talk) 04:33, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
Actually, using current stats is not standard procedure. Not to mention, what you are noticcing is 2012-album and Grammy-award peaking. All Grammy nominees' articles have peaked over the past three to five months, winners moreso. In 2010, the singer's article got an average of less than 100,000 views per month. Besides, when people type in the word "adele" in the the Wikipedia search, they get an immediate notice of the singer's article via the word "(singer)", which confirms beyond a shadow of a doubt that they will be clicking on the correct article or not. If we remove that indicator, Wikipedia search will be much more confusing to everyone involved, whether they are looking for the singer or for another name or place called Adele, or for the history of the name. Softlavender (talk) 05:14, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
I didn't know about the Grammys, but I did notice the event peak in mid-February and chose a period to avoid it. As far as explanatory titling goes, try Googling up "Adele (singer)" -wikipedia. Absolutely no one else is using this form. Other reference works don't use this style of titling, and our guidelines discourage it. If a title gives the subject's name in its most common form, it will of course be recognized immediately by more readers. Your argument claiming the contrary is quite tortured. After all, the page view stats suggest that the current setup sends nearly 10 percent of readers to the wrong article. Kauffner (talk) 08:14, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
So all Wikipedia titles that are disambiguated are disallowed by that reasoning. But how do you fit all the articles known as X under the title X, without "X (Y)" ? 65.92.183.144 (talk) 08:39, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
You seem to be under the mistaken impression that an exact-term match on a Wikipedia article title is how people must search Google in order to find a Wikipedia article. And that most people even do exact searches. And that an exact search is the only way to call up the article on Google. The article comes up result number 8 up on Google by using the search term adele. (Any higher than that and one has to add the word singer to the search field.) All that is beside the point to my post above. Please re-read my post above. I'm not talking about Google searches. I'm talking about Wikipedia searches. The title as listed now sends ALL Wikipedia searchers to the exact right article — evidently you haven't done a Wikipedia search under the term adele. You also claim that "our guidleines discourage it". That's completely untrue. Other reference works are irrelevant. Nevertheless, please indicate what searchable online reference works you are talking about that have an article on Adele the singer as well as articles on the proper name, the ship, the musical, the language, and the island, as well as articles on over a dozen people named Adele. Softlavender (talk) 08:42, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
The musical got 300 page views in the last 30 days, the ship got 257, the island got 214, and the language got 203. People whose given name is Adele are partial title matches. As for other reference sites, they don't use MediaWiki software, so they don't have this problem. Britannica and allmusic can support multiple instances of the same title. Kauffner (talk) 22:56, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
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Picture

Since she currently lives in an era of color photography, shouldn't we use an unedited picture? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.203.209.105 (talk) 01:28, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I think it is her promo image, possibly non-free and may fails WP:NFCC#1. --Il223334234 (talk) 05:00, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
If so, we must not engage in theft and replace the image. In Wikipedia, we must never knowingly and willfully do unlawful activity. Auchansa (talk) 03:32, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

early life change in name

During her early life, she would have been referred to as 'Adkins'. This should be done. I will do a draft for you to see. See article. Auchansa (talk) 03:27, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

McSly used automatic edits (HG) to remove the edit within seconds. Here is the diff for you to see. Auchansa (talk) 03:49, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adele_%28singer%29&diff=489418320&oldid=489417899

Should this article use American English or British English?

I say not American because she is not American. Auchansa (talk) 03:34, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Inconsistencies and clarity/accuracy issues

This article needs to be checked for accuracy and clarity. It would appear this article was constructed and written very quickly, possibly overnight causing confusion and unclear points in a number of areas. For example, in the "1988-2006: Early life" paragraph, it states she graduated in May 2006 from the "BRIT school". However, in the next paragraph and section, "2006-08: Career beginnings", it states that her friend posted her very first three songs (public debut) on the internet four months after her graduation.... That is all good and great, but in the next paragragh, (same section) it states that she began to be represented by her management company in June 2006, after meeting with the record company and her discovery. That item is either incorrect or a direct contradiction to the previous paragraph. (May 2006 plus four months would be September 2006 and NOT June 2006).

I know nothing about music or this artist. I merely wish to point out the inconsistency to someone much more versed in this subject matter and artist. Otherwise, I would edit and correct it myself. I wish to improve the article and not cause more confusion or inaccurcies than presently exist.

Furthermore, may I suggest that her album names be enclosed within quotation marks to make it more understandable and clearer to the reader. There are one or two paragraphs where the reading becomes hideous or unclear and potentionally confusing due to the album name and number of weeks on the charts being mistaken with each other, or some other data point or statistic being written about.

LOL. While they are at it, they SHOULD delete the talk page on this BLP, because no one reads it or cares about inconsistencies or erroneous confusing information. Why have a end date of the edit lockdown, August?, why August? They could have picked July, September or permanent like GHWB, WJC, BHO, GWB, JEC. Lockdown this article permanently and keep the misinformation and bogus facts forever and permanent. Please answer, comment or deny the request listed above and give a reason. This is a talk page and someone must monitot this page or has wikipedia gone homeless for article like this BLP. Perhaps, this page should be changed to a commentpage rather than a "talk" page. How about someone address the reason for a lockdown and a reason for the date of August. Anyone home? Anyone read this? Anyone agree? Anyone there? Anyone care? Anyone comment? Anyone anything...? I thought so. 184.32.2.145 (talk) 05:55, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. 74.233.198.65 (talk) 12:33, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

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Penny Adkins birth date

Since there is a dispute between some about when Adele's mother was born, it should be discussed here. The newspaper supplied as a reference suggests that she was born late 1969 or 1970. Wikia does not contradict this either. However assuming that she was born in England, the birth registry shows a PENNY SUSAN BROOKS ADKINS registered in ISLINGTON 5C 936 in December 1968. I do not think that we need to include this information. But we should be able to resolve this via discussion. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:23, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

  • Thanks for talking here. We do want Wikipedia to be accurate, and there then is a problem where sources contradict each other. It is even possible that someone does not actually know how old or when their mother was born exactly. The newspaper sources we can be sure are talking about the right person. But the registry records are not certain to be the correct person. Perhaps the birth was never registered. (although here you can't go to a school without it). Perhaps she has changed name from birth till recently. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:00, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
  • I think you need to fix your signature, see under preferences. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:14, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Ok, what is going on with this? Someone fill me in. --XenaDance-- (talk) 23:20, 14 January 2016 (UTC) --XenaDance--

The other person involved is User:RyanTQuinn who is supporting the c1970 date based on another newspaper article http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/music/3473210/The-truth-behind-Adeles-struggle-to-stardom.html which says she was 18.5 at birth of Adele. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:23, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
First point, no more database nonsense. That can apply to anyone that has the same name. It is non specific. Only sources that refer to the person in question can be used. The best source to date is Wales Online. It has "Evans left when Adele was two, leaving her 20-year-old mother to raise her". An 18 year age gap, hence circa 1970 birth of her mother. The Daily Mail (fail) is not a reliable source. Neither is The Sun (which the Data junkie sent me in some bizarre attempt to show a 1968 birth....when it states "22 year old Adele and her 40 year old mother")...again (if only the Sun was reliable) it shows an 18 year gap, thus circa 1970 birth. Celebs now is not a reliable source. I will gladly support a 1968 birth if a reliable source states that. None have. My last edit summary reads as follows; "Not leaving this nonsense sitting like this; "Adele born in 1988, mother Penny born 1968, Evans left when Adele was two, leaving her 20-year-old mother to raise her. Anyone reading this will give up". The article is killed in the first two sentences as it stood previously. Use the talkpage before changing the article to a nonsensical state.RyanTQuinn (talk) 20:38, 16 January 2016 (UTC)
  • The age of the mother is not essential to this page so any mention of it should be avoided while ever there is no consensus here. It adds very little by its inclusion and, if it is uncertain, it is detrimental. Btljs (talk) 18:13, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
So how about we remove it? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:41, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I did. I'm just trying to discourage anyone from putting it back. Btljs (talk) 21:45, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
I agree it's not a necessity, especially when we have nothing conclusive and just contradictory sources.RyanTQuinn (talk) 04:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
It's nonsense when it comes to being used in an encyclopaedia. A database is non specific. I was in the same classroom with someone who shared the same name. A non specific database wouldn't clarify which is which. While that name in the Companies House link is highly likely to be Penny Adkins the mother of Adele Laurie Blue Adkins, it's not conclusive. You gave a different name in that other database where she had a middle name (Penny Susan Adkins, which he's tried to insert despite the consensus being against doing so). Any doubt it doesn't get in. Furthermore it's not essential. RyanTQuinn (talk) 04:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
a child born out of wedlock to a 19 year old mother who goes on to be a successful ... is quite an achievement despite her adverse beginnings and estranged family life. She was born in 1988 not 1888! No, it's not relevant, not notable, based on circumstantial evidence and adds absolutely nothing to the value of this page. Do people even say 'out of wedlock' any more? The only salient fact is that her father left when she was young. Btljs (talk) 21:09, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
I couldn't have put it better myself. On the out of wedlock thing, I don't think it is a phrase that gets used all that often now because it's no longer a stigma, or even unusual, for one to have parents who are unmarried. I must say that the user's desire to include this information, and the lengths to which he/she is going in order to "prove" its worth, are beginning to border on the obsessive. This is Paul (talk) 22:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Well, we've all been there haven't we? You get drawn into a passionate argument on some esoteric point and suddenly you realise your life is passing by... Btljs (talk) 05:11, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
Yes indeed, although I must confess to now feeling a bit guilty that Data Junkie removed all their comments following my post. I was really just trying to make the point that life really is too short to worry about the small things. This is Paul (talk) 15:21, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Donald Trump

I guess we should mention this somewhere. Adele had issued a statement distancing herself from US Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump after he started using "Rolling in the Deep" as a warm-up song at his rallies. It could be mentioned either here ar at Rolling in the Deep. Any thoughts? This is Paul (talk) 18:35, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Personally, I wouldn't give Trump the Oxygen of mentioning him on any Adele page. If it mentions Rolling in the Deep on his page, put it there. Btljs (talk) 20:01, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, in an ideal world I wouldn't either, but since it's happened... Apparently it's not the first time either, as there was a similar dispute with Aerosmith. There is a Media usage section in Rolling in the Deep where it would be appropriate, so I've added a short paragraph. If anybody disagrees then feel free to remove it again. This is Paul (talk) 20:28, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
According to this he's been using "Skyfall" as well, and a whole bunch of other stuff, without the permission of the artists concerned. This is Paul (talk) 23:31, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Vogue interview

I included a quote from an interview in Vogue. The quote was removed by @RyanTQuinn:; no reason, however, was given--which is not a proper way to edit Wikipedia. I have restored the quote, which is obviously important: the quote states what she believes her purpose is in her life. If anyone believes that the quote should not be there, explain why.
EllieTea (talk) 15:44, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

I suspect it was removed because of the way in which it's been added. As it appears now it doesn't really add anything to the article other than to state that she said something, and having a list of he said/she said quotes can be counterproductive. Might I suggest making the information a bit more relevant by adding it to the the paragraph that talks about her son/family life, which would seem to make sense then. Just a thought. This is Paul (talk) 16:51, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
I've gone ahead and tweaked it a bit, and think it works better now. @RyanTQuinn:, @EllieTea:, let me know what you think. This is Paul (talk) 17:05, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

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not a Cockney

The article states Adele speaks with a cockney accent. She doesn't. Cockney is an East End accent. Adele has lived in north and south London. Her accent can be described as a London accent, but not as cockney. 109.154.116.143 (talk) 14:41, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

You might like to check out our Cockney article, in particular the opening paragraph:

The term cockney has had several distinct geographical, social, and linguistic associations. Originally a pejorative term applied to all city-dwellers, it was eventually restricted to Londoners and particularly to the "Bow-bell Cockneys": those born within earshot of Bow Bells, the bells of St Mary-le-Bow in the Cheapside district of the City of London. More recently, it is variously used to refer to those in London's East End, or to all working-class Londoners generally.

I suppose it all depends on how you want to apply the term. She is not from the East End, nor was she born within the sound of Bow Bells, so wouldn't be a cockney in that sense, but she is a working class Londoner, which means the term can be applied. Do we have a wider term for a London accent? They are all quite different, depending on what part of London the person hails from. Any other thoughts? This is Paul (talk) 16:09, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
The term London accent redirects to Estuary English. Should we use that instead? This is Paul (talk) 16:14, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
The Telegraph describes Americans being beguiled by her north London accent. This is Paul (talk) 16:49, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

I don't like the use of cockney because it has such a specific geographical connotation. It's been used by Americans as an equivalent of meaning a London accent, but I don't think you'd find too many Londoners calling her accent cockney. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.116.143 (talk) 18:15, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Having done a bit of research into the topic I agree it's not an appropriate term, so I've changed it to London accent, linking the term to Estuary English, and added the Telegraph article as a source. This is Paul (talk) 18:24, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Something useful

Something useful, just in case we haven't got it already. There's a lot of good stuff in here. About her background, the people behind her, etc. This is Paul (talk) 16:30, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Edit Request on 26 March 2016

Revert to previous edit of 04:04, 21 March 2016

The revision by Anky chastller, on 09:23, 26 March 2016‎ should be reverted as it doesn't make sense!

In the first paragraph this text should be removed:

"She is one of the worlds biggest pop singer right now with several Grammys and an Academy award.she raised to this fame with only 3 astonishing albums."

Dogs

One of the key attributes of a person is their choice of dogs. I understand Adele is a fan of Dachshunds which automatically makes her an awesome person. Every BIO should include dog preference.

If you can find a source for it then you could add it, I guess. Not sure how important it is in the context of things, unless she happens to be a dog owner, but even then... This is Paul (talk) 12:39, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2016

CRap — Preceding unsigned comment added by RONNN (talk • contribs) 13:12, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2016

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EDUCATION ,BACKGROUND AND REAL VOICE

Its interesting that there are few details about her scholarship to The Brit School for the Performing Arts. This is a top quality prestigious school ,and very selective because free. The abscence of any real information suggests a desire to play down her educated background and reinforce what some may regard as the almost desperate attempts to nail her into a stricly working class context which is so important for popular success today particularly in class ridden Britian. She sings with a perfect imitation of a black African American and speaks in a strange accent called cockney but not like any cockney Ive heard..On some interviews her accent varies from educated middle class to cockney.. She is obviously a very intelligent talented woman so one wonders what she really sounds like in real life. She is married to an old Etonian ...Even her mother is described as connected with adult education without saying she is probably a teacher..I always think its sad that the realities of successful entertainers lives are so often misrepresented .Does anyone know what she really privately sounds like ? Her son will go to an expensive private school possibly eventually Eton..Since children copy their parents voices wiil her son grow up speaking cockney at Eton? User:176.63.176.218 00:06, 18 February 2016

I was curious about her education too, as in today's Sunday Times 'Rich List' it says she left 'public school' at 14 to go to the BRIT School. In a British newspaper like the ST, 'public school' would normally mean an expensive private school. Biographical entries usually say something about the subject's education, so if anyone knows the facts from a reliable source, I suggest they should be added.109.149.91.201 (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Well we don't seem to have much on her schooling outside her time at the BRIT school. I suspect they mean a comprehensive or high school, or whatever school she happened to be attending prior to that. No doubt it would be mentioned in a biography, though I don't have one myself. This is Paul (talk) 13:16, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
Please comment on the page rather than the subject. Btljs (talk) 05:31, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Nationality

Yes, that old chestnut again, largely thanks to this edit. So let's get some consensus on whether she's British or English. I'm not in favour of changing it for change's sake, so reverted back to English following today's change, but if there's a good reason for her to be one or the other then we should stick to whatever that is. Any thoughts? This is Paul (talk) 19:04, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

There was already an archive consensus on this and it was British. Not to mention she self identifies with being British and proud. "I am so so proud to be British and flying our flag". Does her own self identification not matter?[1] Erzan (talk) 18:49, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

If someone 'self identifies' as European does this become their nationality? This is not Hello magazine - we're trying to give accurate information not pander to a subject's predilections; English is more accurate than British, since it is a subset. Btljs (talk) 03:59, 14 June 2016 (UTC) Actually, I don't care - change it to British if you want. I've read the archives and can see no consensus. It's clearly acceptable either way, I feel that there is a tendency to identify Scottish or Welsh people by their constituent nations while English people are either identified by regions within England (Yorkshire, Cornish, Liverpudlian etc.) or just called British. It all smacks of a differentiation which only exists in people's heads and has no basis in reality, since we are clearly all inter-bred. Btljs (talk) 04:19, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
To be honest, I don't care either, but since these changed are often made because of someone's personal opinion I tend to revert them, unless there's a very good reason for the change. For example, there was a discussion recently on changing Jeremy Corbyn's nationality from English to British, which seems appropriate since he's the leader of the UK opposition. In this particular case, at different times the subject has made reference to being both British or English, and for people to change it to suit their personal preference just becomes disruptive, since there are others who will disagree and want it the other way. This is Paul (talk) 10:37, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
I favour "English". As I understand it, English is a subset of British, so it's not one or the other. A person alternating between identifying as English and British is certainly just acknowledging the narrower and broader views. Your mention of Corbyn is insightful, because his notability is related to Britain, not just England. With Adele, she's both British and English. "English" is no more accurate than "British", but it is more precise. The constant changes based on personal preference are indeed disruptive. Unfortunately, these talk page discussions are the best yet inadequate way of carving the edit in stone. Does Wikipedia have another mechanism to support an edit's consistency? Something like "yes, this has been hashed out many times before, but the community consensus is officially 'English'". My two cents. Willondon (talk) 18:50, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/brit-awards/9097134/Brit-Awards-2012-Adele-so-proud-to-be-British-as-she-wins-best-female.html

"Impact" section

I think is time for an "Impact" section:

21 is one of the best selling albums of all time with 30 million copies, and 25 is the second best selling album of the decade. For the latter "Many journalists felt that the album impacted the music industry by encouraging the public to return to buying physical albums, instead of downloading or streaming." [6]

Time: "Adele, of course, is more than a set of stratospheric numbers. In a stunted pop economy in which her contemporaries try to sound simultaneously like each other and like what might be trending next, Adele does the opposite: she sounds like the past. Her music is dignified, even stately, cutting across demographics. On 25, as on her previous releases, she cements her reputation as pop’s oldest soul with songs that are intimate and simple [...] Adele bridges pop music’s past and its future." Adele Is Music’s Past, Present and Future

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Dad's name

He's Marc Evans not Mark Evans. See here or here, for example. Ericoides (talk) 10:21, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

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2009 interview: Turkish, Spanish, English and Welsh origin (interview viewable on YouTube)

Here is a YouTube link to the Dutch TV RTL interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R95x82DxXY0

She states the following in 07:02 "All my family are so thin… They are all Turkish, Spanish and English… and I’m half Welsh and I’ve got my nana's curves." O.celebi (talk) 17:05, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

This video was discussed before, see Adele's Ethnicity. Plus, if it was reliable, then other editors would added it for sure. --Wario-Man (talk) 18:37, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
Plus, the video and its channel are not reliable. See WP:NOYT and WP:YTREF. --Wario-Man (talk) 19:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
@Wario-Man, Are you saying this statement from Adele's own mouth is not a reliable source? That is just nonsense. She clearly states it in the video. And RTL Television is a reliable broadcaster. It seems that there are several contributors here who are too focused on showing her as "English" rather than multicultural and British. Yes, she is English too. But she also states that she is Turkish, Spanish and Welsh too. If ethnicity is not important (according to the previous discussion on this matter) then why write her fathers ethnicity? Also, the article reads that she has an "English mother" but it doesn't say this in the source currently provided.O.celebi (talk) 20:48, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
I have reverted your edit because the source clearly meets the requirements in Wikipedia:Videos as references. The logo of the Channel is clearly visible on the video. If the problem is the YouTube channel we can use the Daily Sabah channel instead. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d0pFOeXLjU
There's actually quite a few videos where she says this. For example in concert she has said to a fan "I've got family from Turkey" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH7RFASnKLE see 1:28 and 3:15). O.celebi (talk) 21:14, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes, all of them are unreliable. Because they're just fan channels and she may says many things to satisfy her fans (very typical behavior among some celebrities/singers). You should find reliable BLP sources to verify such claims. You've just added a 2009 video from an Adele fan's channel on youtube and ignored everything else. As I wrote before, if these claims were true, we already added them to article. If you don't agree with me, contact other editors who are familiar with this topic. Or use WP:BLPN and WP:RSN. --Wario-Man (talk) 06:33, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Completely agree with Wario-Man on this. There might be a slim case for including it if she'd posted the video on her own YouTube channel, but we can't use it in its present format. This is Paul (talk) 14:58, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
I would also prefer to use more professional sources. But it is still valid because she is actually saying it herself, in several different videos. It's a shame that there is so much of this selective omitting on Wikipedia. According to you, Adele is not a reliable source about herself. This is not a valid argument. O.celebi (talk) 15:24, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Some confusion here, I think. We can't say "Adele has X, Y and Z ancestry", and source it to a video. What we can say, I think, is that "Adele has claimed that she has X, Y and Z ancestry", and source the claim. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:16, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
A genealogist would need to dig into her background then publish his/her findings in a reliable source for us to be able to verify her claims as fact. But I agree it may be possible to source it as a claim made by Adele. This is Paul (talk) 21:24, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

British v English

The old British v English debate is back with edits like this one. Your thoughts are welcome, but no changes should be made without reaching consensus. This is Paul (talk) 00:25, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

This is Paul Please look at the video and media references. According to the references and more importantly Adele herself, identifying as British is accurate. Adele has self-identified as British, even stating she is 'so proud to be British' in a 2012 BRIT award speech.[1][2]. Usually when it comes to biographies what the person describes themselves as, in this case being British, is the guideline.
She is also regularly described as British by media sources. Such as the BBC, Telegraph and the Guardian, as well as many more[3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11]. Clearly 'British' makes more sense based on all this? Erzan (talk) 00:53, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Here goes us Brits confusing things again. All Scotsmen are British, but not all British are Scotsmen. All Englishmen are British, but not all Britishmen are Englishmen etc. I concur with my esteemed colleagues. It's my understanding we put their nationality, which by definition is where someone was born. Adele was born in England is therefore English. However...when a 'famous' person identifies themselves in a particular way, we should go with that and that will generally trump anything the media say. Take Andy Murray he is British (especially when he wins ;) ), however he identifies as Scottish. Therefore we list his nationality as Scottish. Hope that clarifies. If Adele identifies as British over English then that's what we should put. MisterShiney ✉ 23:40, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Here though, she talks about being English, which is where the contradiction arises. She's identified with both on different occasions, and she's probably not the only one to do so actually. This is Paul (talk) 00:13, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
I would say we go with whatever was in her official biography if she has released one. I wouldn't go with an English translation of a Turkish article because it could have been mistranslated. Also, it could be that the writer deliberately used English thinking/knowing that Turkish readers would know and understand that better than British. I wouldn't go with what a foreign news article says about someone unless it was backed up by a UK source. MisterShiney ✉ 21:01, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

The thing is, biographies for Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish 'famous' people include as such. When it's an English person, we put British? It is a bit confusing, because British applies to all three countries on the island of Britain. Technically, people in Canada and Mexico and Brazil etc are all American, because they live on American continents, but the U.S. assumed superiority with their labelling of citizenship and so U.S. people are American nationality, whereas it is technically U.S. nationality. There needs to be some discussion on listing the nationality of their country of birth or their state of birth, as the UK has both.  — Calvin999 12:42, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/brit-awards/9097134/Brit-Awards-2012-Adele-so-proud-to-be-British-as-she-wins-best-female.html
  2. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNFSUcWyjI0
  3. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/nov/15/adele-25-new-album-interview
  4. ^ http://www.biography.com/people/adele-20694679#commercial-success
  5. ^ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35152397
  6. ^ http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/Adele-tickets/artist/1159272
  7. ^ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/20/rich-list-adele-is-richest-british-female-musician-after-doublin/
  8. ^ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4006028/David-Bowie-Adele-lead-British-stars-nominated-2017-Grammy-Awards.html
  9. ^ http://news.sky.com/story/adele-named-britains-richest-celebrity-under-30-10649740
  10. ^ http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-glastonbury-idUKKCN0ZB0TM
  11. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbllcXX4xgI

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2017

In "The album was certified as gold" we should delete "as" to achieve consistency with "certified platinum / certified Diamond". Also, since we use lowercase "gold" and "platinum" let's do the same with "diamond". 87.226.39.155 (talk) 00:32, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

 Done. Thank you for suggesting the edit. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 01:16, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Adele — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.40.57.25 (talk) 00:29, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Marriage?

When she won Album of the Year at the Grammys, she thanked her husband. Should Simon be considered spouse in the infobox now?

I saw that too  — Calvin999 10:55, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
I think it should added, however, we don't know the marriage date. --Jennica✿ / talk 20:08, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
We can add that she is married. We don't know dates for some births, deaths etc on many articles.  — Calvin999 20:16, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
 Done --Babar Suhail (talk) 21:28, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Cameo in Ugly Betty

Would it be worth including in the article that Adele appeared as herself in the Ugly Betty episode "In the Stars", in 2009? If yes, I'm not sure where to stick it in (other work?). -Shuipzv3 (talk) 14:59, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

Not sure, but I notice there isn't as yet an Adele filmography, which might be useful for things like television appearances, etc. Any thoughts? This is Paul (talk) 17:24, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
I think it's worthwhile to split it into a separate article; this article is as long as it is. My concern is with what to include. There's Adele at the BBC, Adele Live in New York, performances on live award shows (Oscars, Grammys, BRIT Awards etc.), appearances on talk shows (Graham Norton, Ellen, Jimmy Fallon, to name a few), appearances on other shows (SNL, 60 Minutes), assorted documentaries, and a few cameos like the aforementioned Ugly Betty episode. Shuipzv3 (talk) 03:22, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
I forgot to add her music videos. Shuipzv3 (talk) 03:32, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Mrs. Konecki

Is her surname now Konecki after her marriage to Simon Konecki? Perhaps the feminine form is Konecka? 82.25.154.11 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:54, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

You need a reliable source that indicates she's taken her husband's last name. --NeilN talk to me 19:01, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
Since she's known by a mononymous name anyway, surely the question is purely academic. This is Paul (talk) 21:09, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Calling major editors

NOT HAPPENING
Shane Cyrus was indef blocked today as a sockpuppet of indef-blocked MaranoFan. Closing this discussion, since the plan to take this to GA is no longer on the table. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:01, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

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I plan on taking this article to GA. I am consulting major contributors in this section.--Shane Cyrus (talk) 18:38, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

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The article is actually a bit of a mess, no one has made any improvements to it for a long time.  — Calvin999 10:25, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
@Calvin999: @BlueMoonset: Would you guys kind of help me clean up the mess on this? Lets collaborate.--Shane Cyrus (talk) 10:37, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
This could take months, it's not something that can be done quick, especially for someone with as much info about her career as Adele does. Same reason no one has touched 21, 25, "Rolling in the Deep", "Someone Like You" or "Hello", because they all have such a monumental amount info about them.  — Calvin999 10:39, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
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Page Movement

I'm recommending that this page should be moved to Adele (musician). User talk:M briglia05 12:57, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

It used to be at Adele (singer) some time ago, but there was a lengthy discussion about moving it here, mostly I think because the name is so synonymous with her. I've no real objections to changing it though if others think it should be moved. I'd hate to see it develop into another Cherylgate though. This is Paul (talk) 17:21, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Please fix/change age to 29

Happy Birthday :) - Rolandtritsch (talk) 13:49, 6 May 2017 (UTC) 


She turned 29 yesterday and it still says 28, smarten up people.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.252.56.98 (talk) 19:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC) 

Change her age to 29, how long does it take?!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.252.56.98 (talk) 23:06, 6 May 2017 (UTC) 

CHANGE HER AGE TO 29, ARE YOU PEOPLE STUPID OR WHAT?!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.252.56.98 (talk) 23:15, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
The article says she is 29. You probably need to refresh your browser cache. This is Paul (talk) 23:58, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Attempt to add image

I invite Z1381 to discuss their proposed edit here. It seems to serve little purpose, and even be fan-made. 331dot (talk) 08:46, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Can someone please change the main photo? PatrickPiper (talk) 00:00, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
To what? --‖ Ebyabe talk - Union of Opposites ‖ 00:06, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

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