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Borders in lede

Since the de facto independent Republic of Artsakh shares a border, it should not be deleted from the lede (of course, a clarification note has been provided). Also, as the border with Russia is exclusively with the Republic of Dagestan, this fact also deserves to be mentioned, I think. That is why my additions (at the same time, trying to keep it concise). Khestwol (talk) 08:00, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

User:CuriousGolden, I will appreciate if rather than edit-warring, you participate in the discussion here. If you think that Iranian Azerbaijan should not be mentioned in the sentence about the borders in the lede, then I am perfectly OK with it. So as a compromise I will be happy to edit it like this, if you are OK with it: [Azerbaijan] is bounded to the north by the Russian republic of Dagestan, to the northwest by Georgia, to the west by Armenia, Turkey, and the self-proclaimed Republic of Artsakh (internationally recognized as part of Azerbaijan[12][13]), to the south by Iran, and to the east by the Caspian Sea. Khestwol (talk) 08:39, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

@Khestwol: Frankly, removing something from my own user talk page is not edit warring. Now to reply to your points:

You can see that even in Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova's pages Donetsk, Luhansk, Abkhazia, South Ossetia nor Transnistria is mentioned in the first paragraph, even though at least one country recognizes all of them. So I find it even more irrelevant for Artsakh, which is recognized by zero countries to be mentioned in the first paragraph.

Mentioning Dagestan is fine, but it unnecessarily makes the lead longer. It's like saying "Azerbaijan shares its border with Turkey's Ighdir province". It's extra information that is not so important.

And at last, I don't like that you're changing the sentence structure from, for example: "it is bounded by Caspian Sea to the east" to "to the east by Caspian sea". I really like the current sentence structure. Also, not sure why you moved Caspian sea to the end, it's better at front. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 09:00, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

That is fine. I will put the Caspian Sea first now, remove the unrecognized Artsakh as per your suggestion, change the sentence structure, and arrange the countries counterclockwise. Regarding Russia, as the country has such a huge land area, mentioning the specific republic (Dagestan) which borders Azerbaijan might be helpful to readers. Cheers, Khestwol (talk) 09:38, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Azerbaijani—Iranian relations

This information has been reverted, with the following edit summary: "Iranian Azerbaijanis are not a diaspora of Republic Azerbaijanis". I think info is relevant and should be included.

Azeri Turkish was the main language of Shah Ismail I's court. For almost all of her history, the territory of the present-day Azerbaijan was a part of the various Persian empires.

The Azerbaijan–Iran relations have significantly improved with the advent of the Hassan Rouhani administration. Iranian Azerbaijanis make up the largest ethnic minority in Iran, estimated between 16–24 percent of the population.

References

-- Tobby72 (talk) 16:26, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Iranian Azerbaijanis are not a diaspora of the Republic of Azerbaijan, this has been already discussed and a consensus has been found.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:56, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

The text reads: "Iranian Azerbaijanis make up the largest ethnic minority in Iran, estimated between 16–24 percent of the population." Not a word about diaspora. -- Tobby72 (talk) 03:18, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

The only relevant part of your edits is this part: The Azerbaijan–Iran relations have significantly improved with the advent of the Hassan Rouhani administration. The rest has nothing to do with this article and are a mix of non-RS + WP:POV + WP:OR. e.g. That "16 and 24 percent..." claim is from the description of some image from a news website. Plus a map of Safavid Iran and your very personal analysis. --Wario-Man (talk) 06:46, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

• "In the 16th century, the ethnic-Azeri Safavid dynasty restored Iran's unity after the destruction and chaos of the Mongol invasion."

• "The Armenian minority with its about 100,000 people is significantly smaller than that of the so-called "Azeri Turks," the Iranian citizens with Azerbaijani roots, who number about 15 million — in a country of 82 million inhabitants. ... Iran and Azerbaijan have had a long historical association. Parts of today's Azerbaijan belonged to the Persian Empire until the 19th century."

• "Turkic languages and dialects played a much more important role in Safavid Iran than is generally thought, while Azerbaijani Turkish in particular was widely spoken and written in Safavid Iran. It was not only the language of the court and the army, but it was also used in poetry, even by renowned poets who usually wrote in Persian. The Safavid shahs, many of whom wrote poetry in Turkish themselves, promoted its literary use. Also, Turkish was used in the court's official correspondence, for both internal and external affairs."

• "Officially, the population of the four Azeri-inhabited provinces (Eastern and Western Azerbaijan, Ardabil, and Zanjan) is about 10 million. A few million more ethnic Azeris live in Gilan and Khorasan provinces, as well as in Tehran and other urban centers. The total is probably about 15 million."

• "The U.S.-based Center for Human Rights in Iran says ethnic Azerbaijanis make up 16 to 25 percent of the country’s population. Many of them speak an Azeri-Turkish dialect that the Iranian government has banned from being taught in schools."

References

-- Tobby72 (talk) 14:46, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

This is regional, not spread out. I do think it bears mentioning that there are ethnic Azerbaijanis south in the provinces south of the border, see Southern Azerbaijan National Awakening Movement, and that control of these provinces is a long standing issue between the countries. Vici Vidi (talk) 05:24, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Vici Vidi: Agreed. BBC News: "Nearly a quarter of Iran's population is ethnically Azeri and many of them claim their rights are being trampled on by Tehran, increasing tension between Iran and Azerbaijan. Their language and literature are banned in Iranian schools and they claim the authorities are worried about unrest among ethnic Azeris and about the government's relationship with Israel."

Asia Times: "In recent days, widespread protests broke out in some of Iran’s major Azeri-speaking cities including Tabriz, Urmia, Ardabil and Zanjan. Demonstrators called for the “liberation of Karabakh” and voiced anger at rumors that the Islamic Republic had dispatched truckloads of military aid to Armenia. According to some accounts, 60 people have been arrested in these cities. The demonstrations also became a venue for the expression of racially-charged and secessionist sentiments, with some participants chanting slogans decrying Iran’s Persian-speaking majority and other ethnic communities as the nemesis of the Azeri people."

References

-- Tobby72 (talk) 10:45, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

The lyrics to the anthem have been vandalised

would fix but have no idea how150.107.172.172 (talk) 06:50, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

@150.107.172.172: The anthem lyrics aren't written in this article though. Can you be more precise where? — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 08:00, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

There is a playable anthem under the flag that is where. 150.107.172.172 (talk) 07:55, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Do you mean the lyrics aren't in the audio file? I think that's intentional. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 08:12, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

there are lyrics in the audio f.e and they have been vandalised you just have to wait longer than six seconds. 150.107.172.172 (talk) 04:28, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

I listened to it 3 times by now and it's normal. Are you sure you're talking about the anthem song in the infobox? — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 07:40, 20 October 2020 (UTC

The infobox that has the lyrics in it under the anthem file it has laughing emojis instead of the lyrics 150.107.172.172 (talk) 18:21, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

I am genuinely very confused where that is. I've looked everywhere, there are no lyrics nor laughing emojis anywhere. — CuriousGolden (talk·contrib) 18:27, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks It's fixed now LandLoveLiberty (talk) 19:17, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Azerbaijani map needs to be updated

Please update the map of Azerbaijan to reflect the recent agreement signed by Russia, Azerbaijan and Armenian that states the return of all 7 districts back to Azerbaijan. It also incidates that Azerbaijan gets to keep all its current military gains within NK. Thank you. Jajo2005 (talk) 11:48, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Map

Map needs to be revised. Azerbaijan should be shown with a map officially recognized by the UN without mentioning a self proclaimed unrecognized republic. Faridlee (talk) 16:38, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

Removal of loads of sourced information

Two editors are having a disagreement over the removal of sourced information, this should be discussed here. Prima facie, it should remain + not deleted.

--Devokewater (talk) 15:43, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

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Article issues

• This is listed as a "Good article". On a first quick read, there are some issues.

The "Further reading" section has eight entries (that could possibly be trimmed) that include Women's Studies International Forum. "Understanding women's empowerment and its determinants in post-communist countries: Results of Azerbaijan national survey." This seems important enough to have a section, subsection, or if expansion is at some limit point a separate article.

The "External links" section has grown to 21 entries. By any of our current standards and practices, this is far too many. See: WP:ELPOINTS. Some of the additions are not in line with "What Wikipedia is not" and need trimming. See: Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#LINK and WP:ELMIN and WP:ELORDER. -- Otr500 (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

"Azerbadzjan" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Azerbadzjan. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 17#Azerbadzjan until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. dudhhr_Contribs 08:22, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Administrative divisions

Administrative divisions were recently changed by Azerbaijan Government. Can someone update it

https://en.trend.az/azerbaijan/politics/3451681.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/azerbaijan/comments/ofhmze/map_of_the_new_economic_regions_of_azerbaijan/ - map — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.132.98.69 (talk) 09:42, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

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Keyboard

Keyboards Have The Normal QWERTY Or The Random AZERTY 2A02:C7D:CC08:B000:7082:3577:84DD:834A (talk) 08:41, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Flag of Azerbaijan proposed color change

There is a proposal to change colors of Flag of Azerbaijan, please see c:File talk:Flag of Azerbaijan.svg. --Jarekt (talk) 15:01, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

DO IT RED WHITE GREEN. 2A02:C7D:CC08:B000:7082:3577:84DD:834A (talk) 08:42, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Why does the section titled "Antiquity" start with the Stone Age?

I'm pretty sure I know what antiquity means, at least in the general case, and that's not the Neolithicum, far from it, even if the stone age ends at different times in different places. 2A00:20:600D:C60A:901F:BCD4:C8B9:D213 (talk) 17:22, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Dictatorship

@Kevo327: In case you want to read it here as well;

• The Guardian doesn't mention the word "dictator".
• The Washington Post does, but says it's a "perspective" ie. "Discussion of news topics with a point of view, including narratives by individuals regarding their own experiences". This violates WP:NPOV.

I can't believe how you do such bold edits. Please read the sources before you revert. Beshogur (talk) 16:53, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Even if the sources were reliable, where its seen to write "under a dictatorship" in any other Wikipedia country articles? Not even Russia, China, DR Congo have it. Please be unbiased, Kevo327. Omarwithaschwa (talk) 17:06, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

@ZaniGiovanni: Googleing the words "Aliyev" and "dictator" and putting the first source isn't helpful either. Beshogur (talk) 17:41, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Its not hard to find WP:RS that consider Azerbaijan under Ilham Aliyev a dictatorship. For example:

• "Examples of contemporary personalist dictatorships include Belarus under Alexander Lukashenko, Uganda under Yoweri Museveni, Chad under Idriss Deby, and Azerbaijan under Ilham Aliyev." -- Erica Frantz (2018). Authoritarianism: What Everyone Needs to Know®. Oxford University Press. p. 84

However indeed, the more important question is; is it WP:DUE weight for the infobox? If not even Russia, China and DR Congo (amongst many others) employ such a label, then I don't see why Azerbaijan should necessarily be an exception. IMO, inclusion of something like this in every infobox should be vetted by members of the commmunity (not sure at which venue though). - LouisAragon (talk) 22:45, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Louis. What is written in the Infobox is the official form of government, not what outside observers (no matter whether rightly or wrongly) think it is. Alex2006 (talk) 08:57, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Pronunciation of country name is wrong

The audio of the pronunciation of this country name is wrong. The "j" does not rhyme with the "z" in "azure"; it's the same phoneme as the "j" in "jam." Please fix! 173.88.246.138 (talk) 05:53, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Coordinate error

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The following coordinate fixes are needed for

—89.219.54.65 (talk) 03:48, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

You haven't said what you think is wrong with the coordinates in the article. The only ones I see are the country coordinates in the title position and those of Baku in the infobox, and both appear to be correct. If you still think that there is an error, you'll need to supply a clear explanation of what it is. Deor (talk) 14:49, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

The Wiki Is Corrupted Plz Fix Some Of The Text Is On Another Text

can this be solved easily? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.164.154.34 (talk) 09:15, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 December 2021

In the general, Etymology and Contemporary History sections: "taking its name from the adjacent region of northwestern Iran for political reasons"; "The name Azerbaijan was first adopted for the area" and "The area to the north of the river Aras, was Iranian territory" are controversial statements used by authors who were moved by ethnocentrism. They should be either changed, or other information should be given additionally for balanced historical argumentation. Examples are below.

1. Wright, J., Schofield, R., & Goldenberg, S. (1995). Transcaucasian Boundaries (1st ed.). Routledge. https://doi.org/10.4324/9780203214473. "According to Al-Ya'qubi, an Arab geographer of the IX century, Arran represents Upper Azerbaijan (Azerbaijan al-ulya) stretching as far as Barda and Derbent (p. 112). Such influential scholars of the IX century as Al-Tabari and Ibn Hawqal name the territory upper the river Araxes as Azerbaijan too (p. 112)."

2. I. P. Petrushevskiy. Essays on the history of feudal relations in Azerbaijan and Armenia from the sixteenth to the beginning of the nineteenth century. (Leningrad: Leningrad State University, 1949), Cg. II. "In the XVI century, Azerbaijani lands consisted of three beglerbekates (governorships): Azerbaijan proper, with its first capital Tabriz, Karabakh with administrative center in Ganja, and Shirvan."

3. Richard Nelson Frye. Arran // Encyclopaedia of Islam. — E. J. BRILL, 1986. — Vol. I. — P. 660. "By the XV century A.D. the name Arran was not in common parlance, for the territory was absorbed into Adharbaydian."

4. Bartold, V. (1965). Sochineniya, vol III. Moscow. pp. (335-712). "Starting from XI century, Arran was integrated with Azerbaijan by Seljuks. From the XIV century the southern part of the territory once called Arran began to be named Karabakh. The toponym Arran remained only in literary works by that time."

5. L. Batalden, Sandra (1997). The Newly Independent States of Eurasia: Handbook of Former Soviet Republics. Greenwood Publishing Group. p. 110. ISBN 978-0-89774-940-4. "In 1801, Alexander I established Georgia as an administrative unit which included adjacent Azerbaijani territory. The Treaty of Turkmenchay brought Azerbaijani khanates north of the Aras River under Russian control."

6. Kocharli, T.(2004). Armenian Deception. Baku. pp. (5-6). "Northern part of the river Araxes was referred to as Azerbaijan by a French traveler Jean Chardin (XVII c.), a Russian spy Kalushkin (XVIII c.), Russian representative to Tsar Irakli II Colonel Burnashev (XVIII c.), and commander-in-chief of the Russian forces in the Caucasus Tsitsianov (XIX c.)." Tokai Ahmadov (talk) 17:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Not done:

• "...are controversial statements used by authors who were moved by ethnocentrism. "

Correction. These are your unsubstantiated, biased statements made without any sort of evidence or proof. All cited sources were published by accredited Western high-quality publishing houses whose works undergo proper peer-review (I.B. Tauris, Amsterdam University Press, Columbia University Press, Taylor & Francis, etc.). The claim that they are somehow unreliable is solely made by you, and thus the WP:BURDEN is on you to prove that they are.

• "Source 1" -- fails WP:VER. I checked all pages of the book; there is no such statement to be found.
• "Source 2" -- Doesn't cover that what you are trying to change, and the source is quite old too. To make things worse, furthermore, Petrushevsky has a long history of parroting Soviet negationist nonsense (Bournoutian, George (2016). The 1820 Russian Survey of the Khanate of Shirvan: A Primary Source on the Demography and Economy of an Iranian Province prior to its Annexation by Russia. Gibb Memorial Trust. p. xvi.):

As noted, in order to construct an Azerbaijani national history and identity based on the territorial definition of a nation, as well as to reduce the influence of Islam and Iran, the Azeri nationalists, prompted by Moscow devised an "Azeri" alphabet, which replaced the Arabo-Persian script. In the 1930s a number of Soviet historians, including the prominent Russian Orientalist, Ilya Petrushevskii, were instructed by the Kremlin to accept the totally unsubstantiated notion that the territory of the former Iranian khanates (except Yerevan, which had become Soviet Armenia) was part of an Azerbaijani nation. Petrushevskii's two important studies dealing with the South Caucasus, therefore, use the term Azerbaijan and Azerbaijani in his works on the history of the region from the sixteenth to the nineteenth centuries. Other Russian academics went even further and claimed that an Azeri nation had existed from ancient times and had continued to the present. Since all the Russian surveys and almost all nineteenth-century Russian primary sources referred to the Muslims who resided in the South Caucasus as "Tatars" and not "Azerbaijanis", Soviet historians simply substituted Azerbaijani for Tatars. Azeri historians and writers, starting in 1937, followed suit and began to view the three-thousand-year history of the region as that of Azerbaijan. The pre-Iranian, Iranian, and Arab eras were expunged. Anyone who lived in the territory of Soviet Azerbaijan was classified as Azeri; hence the great Iranian poet Nezami, who had written only in Persian, became the national poet of Azerbaijan.

• "Source 3" -- doesn't cover what you are trying to change.
• "Source 4" -- idem and quite old.
• "Source 5" -- idem, doesn't cover what you are trying to change.
• "Source 6" -- non-WP:RS, published in a country without freedom of press and a long history of falsifying history. This is well recorded in Western literature. See also; Historical negationism#Azerbaijan, Media freedom in Azerbaijan, Human rights in Azerbaijan. Even if it was WP:RS, which it isn't, a few travellers from centuries ago (WP:PRIMARY) can't weigh up against modern-day academic, peer-reviewed WP:SECONDARY and WP:TERTIARY sources.

Wikipedia is written using reliable sources, not cherry-picking excerpts from statements made by medieval authors, and negationist Soviet-era and Baku-published "sources", nor creating original research out of a cauldron consisting of all aforementioned WP's. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:08, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Lastly, for the record; it is interesting to note that user "Tokai Ahmadov" has barely made any edits to Wikipedia's mainspace, and their last edit prior to making this complicated request, dates back to 2020. Any edit before that, dates back another 3-4 years, all the way to 2017.[1] They have made ~ 180 edits in total, of which ~ 100 were in their sandbox.[2] Its almost as if all sources that were posted by them on this talk page were somehow copy-pasted. Call it coincidence; within WP:AA2 however, almost nothing of such sort is a coincidence. I have demonstrated, using Wikipedia's core policies, reliable sources and sound arguments, that said user tried to disrupt this page by removing WP:RS content and swapping it with a combination of failed WP:VER/non-WP:RS content (see also; WP:OR). Hence, this request has been declined. - LouisAragon (talk) 18:08, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Demonym

I see that the demonyms listed here are Azerbaijani and Azeri. However the constitution of Azerbaijan uses the word Azerbaijan people (Azərbaycan xalqı; that includes other ehtnicities as well) not Azerbaijani (Azərbaycanlı). And I doubt that this is a mistranslation. Should we change this? Beshogur (talk) 12:07, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

In English, "Azerbaijani" and "Azeri" are both valid demonyms per Oxford Dictionary, particularly when you refer to a single person (e.g., "I'm Azerbaijani"). No change is needed. Brandmeister^talk 12:17, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Secession

It is not accurate to claim that NK seceded from Azerbaijan. Secession means a finished process, with recognition of independence, etc. It is more accurate to say that Armenian population declared independence, but NK is still de-jure part of Azerbaijan, and now de-facto under Russian control. Grandmaster 23:28, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Azerbaijan motto

The national slogan of Azerbaijan is the Land of Fires. (Odlar yurdu) but why not here? Aydın memmedov2000 (talk) 16:13, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

It's a nickname, not a motto. The Constitution of Azerbaijan sets no national motto. Brandmeister^talk 18:12, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

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RFC on including Shusha to infobox as cultural capital

Since Azerbaijan declared Shusha as cultural capital for indefinite period we have to include it to infobox while keeping Baku as political capital.--Abutalub (talk) 04:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

• Support inclusion per official declaration. Khestwol (talk) 05:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
• Comment The capital in the infobox is typically reserved either for one capital or cases where administration is located in another city (e.g. Malaysia, with Kuala Lumpur as official capital and Putrajaya as administrative capital). I can support an explanatory note, indicating that Shusha has been declared cultural capital. Brandmeister^talk 10:40, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

  Brandmeister, I think we must better stick to examples where cultural capital exist. If Malaysia had cultural capital it would definitely be given in infobox.Abutalub (talk) 11:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

  Template:Infobox country doesn't have the cultural capital parameter. We can write in the article's body that Shusha has been declared cultural capital and that may be sufficient, I think. Brandmeister^talk 13:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

• Gonna be a bit blunt here, if not ignorant. Does 'cultural capital' actually have some significance (administration wise, etc) or is it just some fancy name? If the latter, then I do not support this addition. --HistoryofIran (talk) 21:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
• The infobox is for key information about a country. A broad and unspecific accolade granted to a particular city does not remotely merit such a consideration, not even for a note. It would be like adding Hull to the United Kingdom infobox. For the record, en.wiki does not "have" to follow what a government might say. CMD (talk) 23:11, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose what is a "cultural capital"? Does it mean Shusha has some extra powers or administrative buildings on it? It doesn't look like that. Super Ψ Dro 15:14, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
• 'Oppose'. Azerbaijani government may declare whatever it wants, but Wikipedia is not controlled by Azerbaijani government and should not blindly follow what it declares. There should be enough evidence from neutral sources that Shushi constitutes the cultural capital of Azerbaijan, to say that in WIKIVOICE on Wikipedia. A city that just a year ago has been captured with military bruteforce, currently inhabited, featuring almost nothing but ruins, with the bodies of fallen soldiers who defended the city still decaying there cannot be a "cultural capital of Azerbaijan" on Wikipedia. That paid propaganda of "Shusha - cultural capital of Azerbaijan", for example, was removed from London Tube by TFL, for the reasons I mentioned. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/azerbaijan-armenia-posters-removed-tfl-london-b925943.html --Armatura (talk) 18:26, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

A city that just a year ago has been captured with military bruteforce, currently inhabited, featuring almost nothing but ruins, with the bodies of fallen soldiers who defended the city still decaying there Stop using propagandistic words. Those are simply not true. Beshogur (talk) 22:28, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Beshogur Uhum, correction - uninhabited. Excuse me, what exactly made you accuse me of "using propagandistic words" and saying things that "are simply not true", could you elaborate?? Ever heard of assuming good faith and the necessity of avoiding personal attacks when talking to fellow Wikipedia editors? What kind kind of language was that?? Have I ever called you propagandist despite you edits in Armenia-Azerbaijan topic full of strong point-of-view edits? Do you want to apologise? --Armatura (talk) 22:53, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

@Armatura: Why should I apologise for your words? Your comment is not even helpful, does not contribute to the current discussion, especially with the bodies of fallen soldiers who defended the city still decaying there. Claiming that bodies are still decaying after a whole one year? Come on. Have I ever called you propagandist despite you edits in Armenia-Azerbaijan topic full of strong point-of-view edits? I never use such rhetoric against Armenia, so maybe you can stop accusing me of "strong point of view edits". Beshogur (talk) 23:11, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Is it a surprise for you that there are still bodies of soldiers being found in the areas that came under Azerbaijani control? You may WP:I just don't like it my opinions, but you have no right of accusing me of propaganda, it is unsubstituted accusation and a personal attack. And yet you claim you "never use such rhetoric against Armenia" and managing a counter accusation against me instead of offering an apology? What happened to reflection? Lucky me everybody can see what you wrote, so I am not accused of also imagining things. --Armatura (talk)

source doesn't seem reliable. Sorry. My stance on government supporting media is similar to Anadolu Agency. See reliable sources noticeboard: ... consensus seems to indicate that the reliability of Anadolu Agency varies depending on the scenario. For this reason, I believe we can set the precedent used for RT, in that Anadolu Agency is ambiguously reliable for general topics, and generally unreliable for controversial topics and international politics. The same applies here. Beshogur (talk) 09:39, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

You are not saying you are disregarding all Armenian sources despite press in Armenia being fairly free unlike Anadolu or Daily Sabah, are you? Because you can't. Here are some non-Armenian articles for your taste: https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/56714/ https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/56681/ https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/56645/ https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/55905/ It is a fact that dead soldiers' remains are still being found in Azeri-controlled area of Karabakh, and the searches are done with Azerbaijan's permission, it is neither secret nor a conspiracy theory. If you did not know and want to apologise, I'd accept. --Armatura (talk) 14:45, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

I see that no one is even mentioning Shusha, where 2 mentions "Varanda" and "Gadrut" and other two being mountains. There might be bodies remaining on the battlefield, you're right, but the comment with the bodies of fallen soldiers who defended the city still decaying there is indeed irrelevant to the rfc, nothing to do with Shusha at all. not saying you are disregarding all Armenian sources despite press in Armenia being fairly free unlike Anadolu or Daily Sabah regarding this, I said that my stance on Armenian media is like the stance on Turkish media which were discussed several times on the noticeboard, is reliable for Armenian POV, but regarding conflicts, etc. unreliable. If you have doubts about Armenian gov. media during the war, read this please. (The Second Nagorno-Karabakh War and the phenomenon of Artsrun Hovhannisyan section) as an example: Several cases after the war suggest that government officials did occasionally mislead the public. For example, on December 12, 2020, rumors began circulating on domestic outlets and social media that Azerbaijani forces had captured two strategically located villages, Hin Tagher and Khtsaberd, in violation of the ceasefire.96 Pro-government voices and representatives of PM Pashinyan’s My Step Alliance quickly labeled the report “fake news” and accused those who were spreading this information of conducting “media terror.”97 However, the reports were confirmed the next day.98 The public was alarmed to learn that not only did Azerbaijani forces capture the villages, but that they also took dozens of Armenian servicemen hostage.99 Beshogur (talk) 15:06, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Drawing parallels between Turkish media ranking 153 or 164 countries on the press freedom index and Armenian media ranking 63 on the same index was undue. Circular logic that if during the war certain things were communicated differently from how they are presented now then, then everything that Armenian sources write even now (hetq.am is an independent investigative journal, btw) must be propaganda does not stand any criticism. When presented with evidence from non-Armenian media that soldiers' bodies are still being found here and there in the battlefields of Nagorno Karabakh (sometimes where the body was found is not specified but handing over site is specified instead https://www.eng.kavkaz-uzel.eu/articles/56844/) you change your stance and say that "There might be bodies remaining on the battlefield, you're right" yet you don't want to offer an apology for accusing me earlier of "using propaganda" and "saying things that are not true"? Don't you see that what you said could easily be viewed as personal attack (WP:NOPA) on a user with views different from yours and a breach of WP:AGF?? --Armatura (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

if you felt really offended, my apologizes, but this doesn't change my stance and your whole sentence I tagged before being problematic. Beshogur (talk) 17:26, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

I did, as a matter of fact, it took me by surprise. Your apology is accepted. Sorry seem to be the hardest word to say sometimes, hence kudos to you for saying it. You can disagree with whatever you want, as long as you keep the conversation civil and within WP rules. Best wishes --Armatura (talk) 17:41, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose and immediately close as bad RfC. This information does not belong in the information box of a country article. Furthermore, this RfC clearly hasn't followed WP:RFCBEFORE and therefore should immediately be either withdrawn or closed. --Spekkios (talk) 00:05, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Paradise Chronicle (talk) 01:39, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nominator. Ytpks896 (talk) 23:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
• Strong Oppose. I am from Austria. Vienna, our capital city is often called the cultural capital of Europe. But it is only a metaphor or verbal opinion. Also, in the EU we have official Capitals of Culture. The current ones are Galway, Ireland and Rijeka, Croatia. Do these nominations / proclamations have any legislative power? No!217.149.166.11 (talk) 07:24, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Also, editor who suggested this has been banned for ultranationalist and disruptive edits. This proposal is null and void now!217.149.166.11 (talk) 07:25, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
• Support South Africa, has officially, as per their government's decree, *three* separate capitals for different functions, and that is reflected in the infobox. I see no reason why Azerbaijan shouldn't as well, if that is what the country has officially declared. It shouldn't be up to Wikipedia to challenge a government of a country on what they decide is their capital, and for what purpose. Deathlibrarian (talk) 06:51, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
  • No sources have been presented on what, if any, purpose this has, let alone whether it has any kind of significance. CMD (talk) 17:16, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
    • "South Africa: Pretoria:,Cape Town and Bloemfontein- This is the only country to have *THREE* capital cities, a unique arrangement designed to share power across regions" - and see this is reflected in the South Africa Wikipedia Infobox Deathlibrarian (talk) 08:14, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
• Support Since Shusha has an official status as a cultural capital, I see no problem with stating that in the infobox. Grandmaster 10:23, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per my comment above. --HistoryofIran (talk) 17:27, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose as others have already pointed out, the infobox is for key information about a country. Bolstering names given to a specific city that was a place for military action not so long don't have a place in it. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:26, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose. Shusha is not granted any additional powers due to that status, and this title has a purely symbolic meaning (just like a European Capital of Culture). Regardless of the reasons why that provincial town is granted the status, if I don't see any central government institutions (ministries, parliaments, supreme courts etc.) moving there, it's patently not a capital - that's the normal understanding of that word AFAIK, at least the ones the dictionaries give. The South Africa analogy is flawed for that precise reason: it has three capitals because the three branches of govt sit in three different cities (some may argue if Johannesburg counts because of the Constitutional Court of South Africa, but whatever).

Or the tl;dr version: unless you expect a child in Japan or Canada or Argentina answer "Baku and Shusha" when asked about Azerbaijani's capital(s) during their geography class, don't include both. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Azerbaijan Republic

@Beshogur: Hello. The term "Azerbaijan Republic" is only used 2 times in the whole Constitution while "Republic of Azerbaijan" is used 588 times. It's clearly not the common official name for the country. I propose to put the term in the note near "Republic of Azerbaijan". — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 09:23, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

It's fine for me. Beshogur (talk) 09:24, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 09:33, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 May 2022

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Gulistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Turkmenchay https://www.britannica.com/topic/Treaty-of-Golestan https://www.britannica.com/topic/Treaty-of-Turkmenchay https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Treaty_of_Gulistan https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Treaty_of_Turkmenchay https://karabakh.org/treaties/gulustan-treaty/ https://karabakh.org/treaties/turkmenchay-treaty/

(Please inform me if you need more links or sources about the history.) You can also search on Google about "the Gulistan and Turkmenchay Treaty" in history.

This country was a part of Iran until about 1813, but in the Iran-Russia wars, it joined Russia under the Gulistan Treaty in 1813 and the Turkmenchay Treaty in 1828. Yashar.amd (talk) 13:18, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 13:28, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Canbayraq

2018-ci ildə Yunis Əhmədli tərəfindən qurulmuşdur. İyunun 16-sıdır qurulan tarix. Bu gün 4 illiyi artıq keçib. Hal hazırda prezidenti Zəhra Əhmədlidir. 212.47.150.96 (talk) 17:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Energy and natural resources

In Energy and natural resources section, Arabian historian and traveler's name Ahmed Al-Belaruri is wrong, his name is Ahmad al-Baladhuri.--Yzkoc (talk) 19:09, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

@Yzkoc: Done. Thanks for pointing it out! — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 19:16, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 February 2022

The official denonym for people of Azerbaijan is Azerbaijani. The term azeri is not used in any official business and many people in Azerbaijan find it derogatory. 92.33.130.152 (talk) 10:41, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

The term 'Azeri' is well-established in English academia, just because the Aliyev regime doesn't support it doesn't mean we should remove it here. Moreover, there are Azeris in Iran as well, i.e. the historical Azerbaijan. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:45, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Your argument here doesn't refute the argumentation in the initial edit request. Azerbaijani is well-established too and besides that also the official denonym. Not to mention that the wikipedia page of given people is also titled 'Azerbaijanis'. I dont see any reason to not change it. In fact, I think it should be changed for the sake of consistency. A note mentioning the informal denonym would be plausible. SoapDispenser94 (talk) 12:21, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Is it really found derogatory? Here if for example a tourist comes from russia you can just as well say я Азер (I am Azer) as well as saying я Азербайджанец (I am Azerbaijani). Even I call myself Azer when western tourists come because most fail at pronouncing Azerbaijani anyway. Why do you think it is derogatory in the first place? Nar 2608 (talk) 00:40, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Citizens of Azerbaijan are considered to be Azerbaijani. "Azeri" is not written in the nationality section. Aron burnel (talk) 22:04, 6 May 2022 (UTC) <--- CU blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000

SCWRA

Under the religion section there is a sentence that is confusing: "Some religious communities have been unofficially restricted from religious freedom. A U.S. State Department report on the matter mentions detention of members of certain Muslim and Christian groups, and many groups have difficulty registering with the SCWRA." SCWRA is not defined anywhere else in the page, and it is unclear what this organization is or it's significant to religious groups within Azerbaijan. Defining the acronym earlier in the article or just writing it out in full here would alleviate that. 2601:602:9601:CA70:318B:E8FB:361B:4417 (talk) 18:20, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done It is the government department who regulates religion in Azerbaijan. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:58, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 September 2022

"and the Azerbaijan Grand Prix in 2017, 2018, 2019 and 2021" Should be "2017, 2018, 2019, 2021 and 2022" Davros ADL (talk) 00:55, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done ––FormalDude (talk) 08:09, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 September 2022

Fix empty parentheses: "Both the absolute minimum temperature (−33 °C or −27.4 °F ) and the absolute maximum temperature () were observed in" 2A02:908:1660:B640:829:71EA:74B8:EED (talk) 17:50, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done – Recoil (talk) 18:48, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 October 2022

Change the statistics presented in the religion section of the country infobox to "Muslim 97.3% (predominantly Shia), Christian 2.6%, other <0.1, unaffiliated <0.1 (2020 est.)" because that is what the cited source states (source). Unionsa1 (talk) 17:11, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

@Unionsa1:  Done, thanks! I also added the year as indicated by the CIA source. — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 17:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 October 2022

45.9.45.126 (talk) 08:37, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

You have not given an edit that you wish to make, in a "change X to Y" format. 331dot (talk) 08:40, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 January 2023

I suggest changing Azerbaijan's government from a "Unitary semi-presidential republic" into a "consolidated authoritarian regime under a hereditary dictatorship", as described by Freedom House and due to the fact that the Aliyev family has ruled Azerbaijan since 1993 and the fact that the current president's wife is coincidentally also vice president.

Source: https://freedomhouse.org/country/azerbaijan/freedom-net/2022 Getrobbed (talk) 18:57, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit extended-protected}} template. Colonestarrice (talk) 01:21, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Minor grammatical edit, change comma after "Azerbaijan" to semicolon because English grammar, dependent clauses etc.

Rivers and lakes form the principal part of the water systems of Azerbaijan, they were formed over a long geological timeframe and changed significantly throughout that period. PsychoNawt (talk) 22:30, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 February 2023

I just want to talk about the dictatorship in Azerbaijan. The entire country is ruled by a single family. President Ilham Aliyev and his family get into everywhere in Azerbaijani political system. All media channels are purchased by Aliyev family. They don't let anybody else to speak the truth and he just put his wife as a vice president. They have close ties with Russia. I want right to mention the Aliyev family is ruling the country like how Assad family rules Syria or how Berdimuhammedov family rules the country. DTDeniz (talk) 15:47, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 15:51, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

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Misinformations

This page contains historical misinformation. Please leave the protection so that the audience is not mistaken. Hutellutush (talk) 06:09, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Could you specify what historical misinformation exactly is there? Brandmeister^talk 18:51, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

The map says that "Artsakh" controls area, despite there being neither de facto nor de jure control of any Azerbaijani territory by ethnic armenians

This is clearly a blatant innacuracy, whatever your opinions on whether "Artsakh" should exist, it clearly does not currently. Leetinkoy (talk) 17:59, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

So Artsakh is a myth? Are Abkhazia and south Ossetia also myths? Feel free to look at the maps that clearly show all three are real

- Kevo³²⁷ (talk) 18:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

the thing is not even armenia itself recognizes "artsakh" as a sovereign country. only non-UN member states and a few states of United States recognizes control of this entity on interantionally recognized region of Azerbaijan. So keep misinformation. 91.234.235.68 (talk) 18:27, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Calling night vision "noctovision"

Noctovision is by most dictionaries not even a word at all; using it here instead of night-vision just makes the article less readable. I would replace it myself, but the article is locked. 66.42.242.140 (talk) 19:27, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Changed, thank you. BilledMammal (talk) 22:56, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Azerbaijan is a landlocked country.

Please mention in the article that, according to Encyclopedia Britannica and many other reliable news sources, Azerbaijan is a landlocked country. While Azerbaijan has access to the Caspian Sea, Caspian Sea is a lake, not a sea, and is not connected to the ocean.

https://www.britannica.com/place/Azerbaijan Getrobbed (talk) 20:54, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

That may be confusing for non-native English speakers or those unfamiliar with the definition and is rather counter-intuitive. I'd say leave it to truly landlocked countries, such as Belarus. Brandmeister^talk 11:01, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Judiciary

The description of the selection of judges -- by the President -- is said to be a best practice per ECEJ. However, the description of the appointment of judges in that report conflicts with the description in the Wikipedia article. 2601:2C6:4300:B8C0:40CB:6272:4B03:548E (talk) 22:21, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2023

Change "During the Soviet rule, the country was also spelled in Latin" to "During Soviet rule, the country was also spelled in Latin". Chances last a finite time (talk) 22:14, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

 Done. Mellk (talk) 22:42, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 June 2023

I want you guys to add that Azerbaijan is a semi-presidential republic under an authoritarian dictatorship of Ilham Aliyev and his family. Due to the Economist Democracy Index, Azerbaijan scores 2.87 points which is an authoritarian regime and lots of people got arrested after the protests against corruption and poverty. The government is absolutely autocratic and it needs to be added. Freedom House 2023 The Economist Democracy Index 2021 EVN report Azerbaijan’s Foray Into Digital Authoritarianism: The Virtual World of Disinformation and Repression DTDeniz (talk) 17:57, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done - This was previously discussed. See Talk:Azerbaijan/Archive 8#Dictatorship. — Golden ^{call me maybe?} 18:09, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Azerbaijan history

It is funny that you count the history of Azerbaijan only from 1918. That is, in 1918 aliens brought us to this geography. Eldegiz, Qara Qoyunlu, Aq Qoyunlu the history of Azerbaijan! Safavids and Afshars are recognized by the world as Iranian history. were the Turkic dynasties of the Gajars and the Afshars. Shah Ismayil's mother and grandmother were Turk.In the early Middle Ages, the white sheep were spread in a very wide area in the South Caucasus, in the area between the Caucasus Mountains and the Araz River, as well as around Goycha Lake, in the Alagoz grasslands, as well as in the southern regions of Azerbaijan, Eastern Anatolia, Western Iran, the Tigris and Euphrates valleys. 21]

The Aggoyun people belonged to the Bayandur clan of the Oguz. Their names are given as "Bayandur Khan boys" in Turkic-language sources, and "Bayanduriyya" in Persian-language sources22] The word "Bayandur" in the ancient Turkish language means "a place that is always full of blessings". The name Bayandur comes from Bayandur, the eldest son of Goy Khan, one of the sons of Oghuz Khan. Aggoyunuls considered themselves descendants of Bayandur Khan.

At the time of Hamza Bey, the Bayandur stamp was stamped on Aggoyunlu coins. During the period of Uzun Hasan and his successors, the Bayandur stamp was again printed on coins as a sign of the state. This stamp was also used on the Aggoyunlu flag and inscriptions.Beginning with Hasan, the Aggoyunlu rulers were masters of science and art. Uzun Hasan gathered the most advanced scholars of his time in his palace. Up to 60 scholars worked in the ruler's private library.[292] calligraphy (calligraphy) and miniature painting were among the attention-grabbing areas of Azerbaijani cultural life of this period. In the palace libraries of Aggoyunlu rulers, scientific, artistic, philosophical, religious, and historical works were copied, and miniatures were drawn on their manuscripts. 4 miniature illustrations drawn on the manuscript of poet Hidayat's "Divan" were compiled by Sultan Khalil in 1478. This manuscript copy is in AZERBAİJAN language. During this period, skilled calligraphers such as Mirali Tabrizi, Mirabullah Tabrizi, Suleyman Ali Yaqubi, Nizamuddin Ali Ardabili, Jafar Tabrizi, Azhar Tabrizi, Abdurrahim al-Yaqubi worked in different cities of Azerbaijan. For a long time, a scientific assembly consisting of prominent scientists of the time was active in Hasan's palace. Uzun Hasan translated the Holy Quran into AZERBAİJAN language and wrote an Oghuznam called "Kitabi-Diyarbakriya" to Abu Bakr al-Tehrani, a prominent scientist of the time. Fazlullah ibn Ruzbehan Khunji came to Tabriz in 1487 in Sultan Yaqub's palace and started writing the history of Aggoyunlu state.Bayram Khoja was the founder of Karakoyunlu dynasty. His successor, Kara Muhammad, became a relative of Jalairi Sultan Ahmad in order to resolve the conflict with the Jalairis. This caused the western part of Azerbaijan, including Tabriz, to fall into the hands of the Karagoyun people.[9]

the transformation of Karakoyunli into a big empire happened during the era of Kara Yusif. In an intense struggle with the Timurids and Jalairis, Kara Yusuf managed to create a huge state from Azerbaijan that united Eastern Georgia, Arab Iraq and Ajam Iraq within its borders.[10]

Black Yusif's son Gara Iskander restored the power of Garagoyunlu in 1421 and entered the city after Sultan Shahrukh left Tabriz. In 1421, the battle between Alexander and Shahrukh's troops in the Alashkert valley resulted in Alexander's defeat, but since Shahrukh returnedthen all the lands he occupied were recaptured by Alexander the Black.

Jahan Shah came to power after Black Alexander. Jahan Shah was one of the strong rulers of Karagoyunlu. During his time, Karagoyunlu culture developed. Jahan Shah wrote poems in Azerbaijani Turkic and Persian under the pseudonym "Haqiqi". made great conquests and expanded the territory of the Garagoyunlu empire.According to the German Turkologist Gerhard Doerfer, it is very strange that the word "Turkman" still causes confusion for Aggoyunlu and Karagoyunlu Turkmens. The word Turkman actually means "nomadic Oghuz"Aggoyunlu and Karagoyunlu "Turkmen" are AZERBAİJANİS.anyway.

After Jahanshah's death in 1467, Hasanali Mirza, who came to power, was killed by Uzun Hasan, thus the Garagoyunlu empire collapsed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.191.68.23 (talk) 13:32, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Azerbaijan is a hereditary dictatorship

Why is Azerbaijan styled as a "Unitary semi-presidential republic" without the inclusion of a "hereditary dictatorship"? The Wikipedia article for Turkmenistan is described as such, and North Korea, however Azerbaijan, not. The Aliyev family has ruled Azerbaijan since the 1990s, it is a dominant one party-state, very similar to Russia, all opposition permitted towards Aliyev is controlled or pro-Aliyev, this makes it only nominal, and real opposition is jailed and assassinated. Please change this article to make it objective.

Scipataen (talk) 7:19, 29 June 2023 (UTC) Sciptaen (talk) 00:20, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Already discussed: Talk:Azerbaijan/Archive 8#Dictatorship NMW03 (talk) 18:29, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Hiding the Iranian identity of North Azerbaijan

It is funny that there is no mention of the Golestan Treaty and the Turkmanchai Treaty. This land was a part of Iran for more than two thousand years and the Russians separated it by force. The Iranian nationality of the people of North Azerbaijan cannot be hidden. Hutellutush (talk) 13:23, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Treaty of Gulistan and Treaty of Turkmenchay are already mentioned in the beginning of Modern history subsection. As for "this land was a part of Iran" - it's more complex than that and there were different periods, as the history section explains. Brandmeister^talk 14:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Talysh people

Between 500 thousand and 1 million Talysh people live in Azerbaijan. So, according to wikipedia, why are they shown as less than Armenians and Russians? don't be silly. 37.26.50.24 (talk) 13:38, 9 August 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000

Hello, You need sources to confirm your statements, self-perceptions are helpless. - Best regards. Weşanvan (talk) 14:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

my friend, look at the article of the people of talysh, and also the armenians and russians living in azerbaijan. The source is already written on wikipedia. 37.26.50.24 (talk) 15:40, 9 August 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000

Ter-Abrahamian, Hrant (2005). "On the Formation of the National Identity of the Talishis in Azerbaijan Republic". Iran and the Caucasus. 9 (1). Brill: 121–144. doi:10.1163/1573384054068132. 37.26.50.24 (talk) 15:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000

Stilo, Donald (2015). "The Polygenetic Origins of the Northern Talyshi Language". In Asatrian, Garnik (ed.). Studies on Iran and The Caucasus. Brill. pp. 411–453. ISBN 978-90-04-30206-8. 37.26.50.24 (talk) 15:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

let's see resources. 37.26.50.24 (talk) 15:44, 9 August 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000

None of these sources meet your requirements. On Wikipedia you must have sources for your number that correspond exactly to this. - Best regards. Weşanvan (talk) 17:33, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 August 2023

Please add category:

Category:Dialogue partners of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation MaliMail (talk) 12:33, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 22:23, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 August 2023

Please add this template to where the other templates for membership in international organizations are.

--- MaliMail (talk) 16:56, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 September 2023

Demography box is wrong. here is the one copied from the specific page that (I think) I is correct.

Demographics of Azerbaijan

  Azerbaijanis (91.6%)

  Lezgins (2.02%)

  Russians (1.35%)

  Armenians (1.35%)

  Talyshs (1.26%)

  Avars (0.56%)

  Turks (0.43%)

  Tatars (0.29%)

  Tats (0.28%)

  Ukrainians (0.24%)

  Tsakhurs (0.14%)

  Udis (0.04%)

  Georgians (0.11%)

  Jews (0.1%)

  Kurds (0.07%)

  Others (0.16%)

Ab1 tell me... 10:50, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done source? Beshogur (talk) 11:37, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The current is obviously wrong. Did you look at it? Please do it.

I took this one from "Demographics of Azerbaijan". I am not changing the data, just fixing the pie.

If you prefer have a pie showing a quarter of inhabitants as Ukrainians: be my guest :-D Ab1 tell me... 13:40, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

 Already done Elli (talk | contribs) 16:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 September 2023 (flag update)

The flag of Azerbaijan needs to be updated. It currently displays 2013 shade of the flag, but it needs to feature the updated version: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Azerbaijan(2019-Present).png

In 2013, the Pantone colour scheme was approved, but in 2019 it was revoked, so the flag returned to pre-2013 shade. I've updated it on the page for the flag itself. While the reference is in Azerbaijani, it is from the Ministry of Justice website. If you scroll down, you can see Article 9.2 stricken with the addendum, revoking the Pantone colour-code scheme. Hamidlinski (talk) 10:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done Beshogur (talk) 11:36, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hamidlinski: Can you increase the flag quality, maybe making a svg version? Beshogur (talk) 11:38, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

There is already a .svg version in the database, you could use:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Azerbaijan_(2004%E2%80%932013).svg

Hamidlinski (talk) 12:09, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Can you change the description? Beshogur (talk) 12:12, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, it's not my upload, my upload was only the .png version. I don't seem to have permission to update Flag_of_Azerbaijan.svg or edit the description of the current flag svg file I shared. I also see Yue reverted the edit stating update svg file, but I don't have the skill to do so. Could you help, please?

Hamidlinski (talk) 04:30, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

I don't have a clue either. Beshogur (talk) 11:41, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Yue: Beshogur (talk) 11:41, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hamidilinski: [3] this still uses the "old colors"? Beshogur (talk) 15:04, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Beshogur yes, this section of the website hasn't been updated in a while. I contacted the press service, and they told me that it is a very low priority for them right now. The 2019 reference to the repeal of the Pantone colour scheme is the most up-to-date version.

@Yue, since you mentioned it, could you please update the Flag_of_Azerbaijan.svg file? We don't know how. Hamidlinski (talk) 15:47, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hamidlinski: I self-reverted for now until the main file is updated. Should take less than a day. Yue🌙 19:26, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

In this source it shows the old colors. The colours of the emblem doesn't match either. Should we return to this one? Beshogur (talk) 22:05, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

@Toghrul R: thoughts? Beshogur (talk) 22:10, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello. @Hamidlinski the current flag colors are regulated by the law adopted in 2018 and it's still valid. Where does 2019 law come from? If you read the law carefully, you'll see that 2013 amendment (not 2019 law) revoked the 2004 law. So, we have four flags (in terms of law lifespan): 1991-2004, 2004-2013, 2013-2018 and 2018-present. The flag colors were correct. @Beshogur no, the CoA in the article is also correct and was adapted to the law. Even president.az is using it and the section was updated two months ago :) Please check out the CoA on Commons and the file history — Toghrul R (t) 03:34, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Toghrul R You are partially correct about the flag timeline. However, the 2019 is not the law, it is a retcon of the 2013 decision 9.2 which decided to use the Pantone colour scheme. You can see it in my reference above^, I'm more than happy to provide the legal codes for the decisions. Since 2013 amendment established Pantone scheme, it's reversal in 2019 is the revert to the pre-2013 scheme. This was further confirmed by my communique to the President's Press service: the president's website will be updated at some point to reflect the proper scheme (they unfortunately didn't give me a deadline, because they don't have to).

Also, technically president.az is a less credible source than the e-qanun, listing legal decisions: The latter is a legislative website. The official foreign affairs website is a more credible source, and it displays the proper scheme as Beshogur noted.

To be honest, my personal theory is that when drafting 2013 pantone ruling, they mistakenly referred to the 1991-2004 flag, and reversed it, instead of having it reflect the 2004-2013 flag. 2004-2013 flag is virtually the same as the current version, and is meant to be the restoration of the 1918 flag.

@Beshogur yes, we should revert the coat of arms scheme as well to match it, that is an excellent catch! Could you do it please?

Hamidlinski (talk) 04:22, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hamidlinski 2004 version of 9.2 was revoked in 2013 and was removed in 2019 because it was simply irrelevant with the law of hoisting and usage of the flag and it was a leftover which had to be revoked because of the 2018 law. When you read the 2019 amendment, you can see it was made to make way for the 2018 version. It is still valid and nothing has been revoked. I don't know how you have had communication with them, as they deemed 2018 version to be correct and update the website, even the videos. Presidential flag is remaining however, they'll fix it — Toghrul R (t) 04:45, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@Toghrul R 9.2 has nothing to do with the hoisting, it specifically states the Pantone colour code. The amendment literally strikes it off, and since 8 October 2019, Pantone colours are no longer used. Just to be clear, the amendment doesn't revoke the 2018 Flag Law itself, just the use of Pantone code. You can't use 2018 law to negate 2019 amendment, that's not the order :)

I see we are at an impasse, because you interpret it differently. But the Ministry of the Foreign Affairs website supports my point, because they are literally using the pre-pantone flag shade, which the 2019 revert results in. I contacted the press service using my personal contacts, once they update the paraphernalia on president.az you should be able to see it for yourself ;) As an FYI, the official foreign ministry website is a better source.

Hamidlinski (talk) 05:43, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

The emblem on the MFA website might have circular sourcing, compare the low detail of the oak leaves [4] with [5]. SVG-image-maker (talk) 00:21, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

References

parts of Nagorno-Karabakh were returned to Azerbaijani control, wrong sentence

There is a sentence that needs to be updated - Following the Second Nagorno-Karabakh War in 2020, the seven districts and parts of Nagorno-Karabakh were returned to Azerbaijani control.[19]

Not the 'parts of Nagorno-Karabakh' are returned. As of November 2023, it is the whole Nagorno-Karabakh.

source 1 - https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur55/7254/2023/en/ source 2 - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/30/almost-all-ethnic-armenians-have-left-nagorno-karabakh-azerbaijan source 3 - https://gulfif.org/azerbaijan-control-of-nagorno-karabakh-geopolitical-implications-for-iran-russia-and-turkey/

Theamanov (talk) 19:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

The paragraph has been updated. Yue🌙 04:48, 18 November 2023 (UTC)