Talk:Beatrice, Nebraska

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• Sbmeirow • Talk • 07:27, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I am in the middle of a fairly major upgrade of this article, including the addition of a number of citations. To make this easier, and to facilitate future edits, I'd like to switch it over to list-defined references (see WP:LDR). Would there be any objection from previous editors to my doing this? I would of course make sure that all earlier citations were converted to the new format. --Ammodramus (talk) 02:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

After which Beatrice is Beatrice named? Opera hat (talk) 00:23, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

None of these; see "History" section of article. Ammodramus (talk) 02:12, 6 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Pronunciation[edit]

@Kbb2: There are two ways to pronounce this name phonetically based on the phonemic transcriptions /biˈætrɪs/ bee-AT-riss, which might be represented as 1. [biˈæt.ɹɪs] versus 2. [biˈæ.tɹɪs] (or [biˈæ.tʃɹɪs] or possibly[biˈæt.tɹɪs] if you insist on /æ/ only being possible in a closed syllable), correct? It turns out I was wrong initially though, and the second one is actually how it's pronounced. What concerns me is that the "respell" transcription doesn't seem to represent that. It represents a pronunciation of [biˈæt.ɹɪs]. Any knowledge of WP respell key? (For example, I imagine we would not transcribe mattress as MAT-riss. It would have to be something like MA(T)-triss, since the second syllable is certainly triss not riss). Wolfdog (talk) 14:16, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Wolfdog: Per LPD, both words contain a word-final /tr/: /biˈætr.ɪs/, /ˈmætr.əs/ (/ɪ/ in the second syllable is a conservative RP pronunciation). Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 15:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Kbb2: Do you mean "syllable-final"? And I've never heard of that syllabication in any dictionary... /biˈætr.ɪs/?? (Also, /ɪ/ is perfectly acceptable [see here, though that's not the issue I was asking about.) I'll ask editors for help at Help_talk:Pronunciation_respelling_key. Wolfdog (talk) 18:23, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I usually delete the pronunciation per MOS:LEADPRON. Is there some conflicting policy? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:28, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wait what? Why would you delete the pronunciation in this case? Wolfdog (talk) 18:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's pronunciation is apparent from its spelling. Like the milk company or the princess. How complicated can it be? Magnolia677 (talk) 18:50, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Her distant cousin Eugenie, less apparent. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:54, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know about you, but I've never heard Beatrice pronounced /biˈætrɪs/. The standard pronunciation is /ˈbiːətrɪs/ and I've also heard among my NY relatives and perhaps others /ˈbiːtrɪs/. Wolfdog (talk) 21:41, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Wolfdog: Please accept my apology, you are correct. It is indeed a wonky pronunciation, see [1]. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:35, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No need to apologize! Wolfdog (talk) 19:17, 8 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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