Talk:Cad Goddeu

Interpretations

The Ogham speculation rejected by Nash originated in Edward Davies 'Celtic Researches' (1809) according to Graves. (White Goddess Ch. 2) Tim flatus (talk) 00:04, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

"Marged Haycock and Mary Ann Constantine reject the idea that Cad Goddeu encodes ancient pagan religions as Graves believed but rather see it as a burlesque, a grand parody of bardic language."

Here is a text curiously reminiscent of the 'Cad Goddeu'......

Indifferent bards pretend/ "My hooves are eight and twenty"./ Instead they fought and did not save/ Us from the fiendish Nickodave./ Who oft may snap with brutish trap -/ My winged steed is all athirst,/ My chariot will not fly./ I spy with my little eye/ Millidum and Millidee/ Sit by the lake with tea and cake/ A shirt and a jacket you hung out to dry./ The wart-hog is a weird beast,/ Till swallowed by a big fat snake/ From Lethe's seething ponds./ Thou fiendish Biggoyle be accursed -/ May all thy wells run dry/. They're all the Ace of Wands./ With tusks and toes aplenty;/ They should have helped us to be free./ If it should rain you must wash them again,/ And tumble them hot with a drum for the sky.

And here are five pieces of doggerel which I wrote for the purpose of scrambling the foregoing text: -

The wart-hog is a weird beast,/ With tusks and toes aplenty;/ Who oft may snap with brutish trap -/ "My hooves are eight and twenty".//

I spy with my little eye/ A shirt and a jacket you hung out to dry./ If it should rain you must wash them again,/ And tumble them hot with a drum for the sky.//

Millidum and Millidee,/ They should have helped us to be free./ Instead they fought and did not save/ Us from the fiendish Nickodave.//

My winged steed is all athirst,/ My chariot will not fly./ Thou fiendish Biggoyle be accursed -/ May all thy wells run dry.//

Indifferent bards pretend/ They're all the Ace of Wands./ Sit by the lake with tea and cake/ Till swallowed by a big fat snake/ From Lethe's seething ponds.//

...which is why I think Haycock and Constantine's contention to be rather less plausible than Robert Graves's. The 'Cad Goddeu' is almost certainly a scrambled medley of poems and Graves had every good reason to think so, and to attempt to unravel them.ElwynEJK (talk) 00:25, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cad_Goddeu --80.144.175.225 (talk) 21:44, 6 April 2014 (UTC) well done

JRR Tolkien influence?

I'm curious if anyone has info on the possible influence this work might have had on Tolkien's work? In particular his creation of Treebeard and the Ents.

While a discussion of such an influence, if it exists, would be more appropriate on the Tolkien page, a linking mention here would help tie such a relationship together. 2601:18B:400:7F0:419A:6D36:C02A:5A84 (talk) 01:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)