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Irving acknowledges gassings

Irving is no longer a "holocaust denier" proper. He now has this weird theory that a smaller number of people were murdered by gassing in every camp except for Auschwitz 65.186.75.25 (talk) 03:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Not sure about whether this claim about Irving is accurate or the details here, but he has long maintained that the scale of killings in the Holocaust was much smaller than was actually the case, and not that they didn't occur. Misrepresenting the scale of the Holocaust is a fairly common form of Holocaust denial (few deniers maintain that no Jews were murdered), and his aspect of his views was part of the reason that he was found to be a Holocaust denier in the libel action he launched (see [1]). Nick-D (talk) 06:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Year of German atomic bomb book

In the books section, please change the publication date of The German Atomic Bomb from 1983 to 1967. 1983 might be a later edition or just a reprint. Source: Nuel Pharr Davis, Lawrence and Oppenheimer (1969 British edition), bibliography section, p. 365. I guess at that time, Irving was still considered credible. 2601:644:8584:2010:0:0:0:5FA4 (talk) 07:10, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done Pinchme123 (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Marking as answered —⁠PlanetJuice (talk • contribs) 03:26, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Shouldn’t this be British Court?

The English court found that Irving was an active Holocaust denier, antisemite and racist, who "for his own ideological reasons persistently and deliberately misrepresented and manipulated historical evidence".

Kentish 86.3.134.204 (talk) 20:36, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

No. There is not a single court system in the UK, the Courts of England and Wales are one system, Scotland has a totally different legal system and Northern Ireland has a third. As the case was tried in England it is correct to call it the English court. - Arjayay (talk) 21:06, 17 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2023

He is not a holocaust denier. He is the most prominent world war 2 historian. 2600:8802:5713:6400:3058:47C5:9A19:4776 (talk) 09:04, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

•  Not done -- the change you appear to want would be entirely inappropriate, not least because it is not supported by reliable sources. Thanks for your opinion, though. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 09:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

He is a holocaust denier in the most definitive way possible, declared as such by a court of law. 2A00:23C6:1ABE:FC01:C828:3D69:C979:19 (talk) 09:14, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

Let's Hold Off On Adding Death

There have been unconfirmed reports of death, but it's highly inappropriate to speculate that the death toll of David Irvings is the ludicrously high claim of 1 without a reliable source. I don't believe sources wholly reliant on what a far-right "Unity News Network" has said are considered reliable. DemocraticLuntz (talk) 22:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. The Daily Mail, which is of course usually total rubbish and isn't a RS but has published some surprisingly good articles on related topics, reported a couple of weeks ago that he was seriously ill. If he has died it would be covered in reliable sources. Nick-D (talk) 00:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Here's another source: [2] reporting on what the "Unity News Network" is saying. jps (talk) 01:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

thats the only source you managed to find? when i heard he had apparently died, i looked him up and the only sources i could find were some random canadian papers. very odd Bird244 (talk) 17:13, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Toronto Sun opinion piece declaring Irving is dead without reference to how the writer actually knows. I suspect the newspaper editor wouldn't allow the declarative statement if they thought it wasn't true, but not sure. jps (talk) 13:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

"Contrary to circulating rumours, we're relieved to share that David Irving remains with us, though, as many of you know, he is currently facing health challenges. We appreciate the concern and support during this time and will continue to provide updates as appropriate. Thank you for your understanding and respect for his privacy." (21st February 2024)

Source: https://twitter.com/irving_books/status/1760201256776470778

Archived source: https://archive.is/wip/3STT8 OctoberAccount (talk) 10:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

An account some are saying is linked to Irving (though it was created in February 2024 so that seems questionable ...) is now claiming the David Irving toll is in fact, grossly exaggerated https://twitter.com/irving_books