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Note that Alexandra Robbins' book is called Secrets of the Tomb, not Secrets of the Tombs.... It's singular because it is one building. Still, if you insist on tombs, it's not worth an edit war. -- Someone else 06:40 Apr 11, 2003 (UTC)

I see there's been a brief edit war over whether or not the Bones building is called the tomb or the tombs. I can't speak for what it used to be called, but at least when I was at Yale, not too long ago, it was quite certainly the tomb. Like Someone Else, I don't want to start an edit war either, but I will go ahead and change it now. Remes 01:53, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wives[edit]

Mention should be made of his wives and companions, and his children. Catherine Hynmer and their 4 children, Hieronima(sp?) de Paiva and their son David, and perhaps others who were rumoured... and also of his children. +sj + 08:59, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Any decent text bio will suffice to improve on this; but see also a few online bits.

spelling[edit]

Second sentence:

"he benefitted from the slave trade"

read:

benefited

Update[edit]

Following the DRN, I have made updates to the article. The principal aims are:

To ensure that the lead reflects the content of the body, per MoS;
To reflect the most up-to-date scholarship;
To give a chronological narrative - the previous version was very back-and-forth in relation to Yale's years in India;
To properly reflect his involvement in the slave trade.

I think there is more to do;

The cites are frequently a mess;
The Ancestry section appears to me to be Undue; largely irrelevant, Yale is not mentioned once; and poorly sourced to a bunch of 19th century genealogical histories, of questionable reliability. This point has been made previously on the Talkpage. I think it would sit better, if anywhere, in a Yale Family page.

Very happy to discuss any issues here. KJP1 (talk) 17:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Academia45 - If you continue to remove relevant. sourced and cited material based on your misunderstanding of Neutral and Independent sourcing, it will be necessary to take the matter further. KJP1 (talk) 04:26, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @KJP1. May I ask why you reverted all my past edits today ? and why you a threatening me to take the matter further ? Some of the material you added recently was biased and I corrected the informations. If you disagree, let's debate then as we should. After the lack of communication during the past Dispute Resolution Board, I've simply disengaged as stated in the WP:DR when two users cannot agree. It is not because you added content recently that this is now the "final" truth about the topic, and that other editors cannot modify or change what you have written. Academia45 (talk) 05:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Academia45 - Certainly. You are removing relevant, sourced, and cited information and you have no basis in policy to do this. If you revert again, you will be edit-warring at three reverts and that is a conduct, not a content, matter. KJP1 (talk) 06:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Academia45 - For a long time you have sought to sanitise this article, by over-emphasising Yale's aristocratic relations and his supposed pedigree while seriously underemphasising his involvement on the slave trade. To do this you are removing relevant, sourced and cited material. You have no policy basis to do so, as you misunderstand both NPOV and Independent Sources. I shall again re-instate this material, and remain very willing to discuss it. But if you again just remove it, I shall take the matter to the ANI Edit-warring board. KJP1 (talk) 08:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Making an effort to understand your perspective, can you set out your rationale for not including the image, Elihu Yale with Members of his Family and an Enslaved Child and discussion of it, yet including a detailed section on his ancestry, sourced to very out-dated works, which doesn't mention him once? It seems to me that the portrait, and 21st century discussion of it, are both very relevant to Yale the man, as well as to his heritage as a contributor to Yale University. KJP1 (talk)

The painting looks quite reasonable where it is atm, IMO. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree Academia45 needs to stop editing warring.(I wasn't watching but will put it back on my list). Desertarun (talk) 08:38, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]