Talk:Islamic Cairo

The "Includes" parameter in infobox

The "includes" parameter in the infobox is confusing and unclear. I don't see such a list on the UNESCO entry for this site, other than in the "maps" section, which I don't think is supposed to be an itemized list of the sites.(?) According to the template guidelines: "when a group of subjects together form this WHS; avoid long listings, in which case it is better to summarize or to omit the parameter altogether". Would editors be alright if we removed this parameter? Casual Builder (talk) 01:18, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't know but look at Giza pyramid complex also has a list. If I were you I'd look at a bunch of these Lists of World Heritage Sites and see if they have the "includes" parameter or not and then use your best judgement. I always prefer to include things than to delete things.--The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 01:47, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

On second look, the list is indeed clearer when looking at the map on the UNESCO site; without that context it was hard to interpret what was meant, especially for all the "necropolis" mentions. Instead, I might just add mention of this UNESCO terminology in the City of the Dead (Cairo) page, and maybe add links to the relevant sections there, if helpful.(?) (Casual Builder) Robert Prazeres (talk) 22:08, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Revision of History section

The history section was in need of revision: the text was a little confused, even repetitive, and much of it unsourced. I've reorganized and expanded it by adapting material from other relevant articles that I was familiar with and filling in the rest. Some of the later history could still use some expansion. In the long term, a fuller "History of Cairo" page might be needed, as this section also overlaps with the "History" section at the main "Cairo" page (Cairo and "Islamic Cairo" are one and the same thing up until the later 19th century). Starting this talk section here in case further discussion is needed for this section. (Casual Builder) Robert Prazeres (talk) 02:55, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

1924 Cairo Koran

Hey JorgeLaArdilla this new section is nicely written and pretty important as its own subject, but it's somewhat tangential to the rest of the history section and maybe also to the main topic of the page, which is an overview of the "medieval" heritage areas of Cairo (or more accurately the parts of the city that existed before the late 19th century). I would actually recommend the section be transferred instead to the main "Cairo" page, which is much broader in topic, and where I notice there's no mention of the Qur'an at all! The "culture" section there might be the best place for it; other editors might argue that it should be shorter (more summarized) and include a link to a main page instead (maybe History of the Quran#1924 Cairo edition), but it's a good start. Cheers, Robert Prazeres (talk) 01:06, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Islamic Art

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 23 August 2022 and 9 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Shakera Patterson, Georgialeakey (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Shakera Patterson, Georgialeakey, IslamicArt22, Joe.harkins.richmond.

— Assignment last updated by Joe.harkins.richmond (talk) 04:14, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Removal of recent addtion

I've removed one of the additions from the recent student assignment which added three well-intentioned but disproportionate sections about three individual monuments. (They also had some format/grammar issues.) This article is an overview of Islamic Cairo and there are hundreds of historic and religious monuments in this area, many of which are equally or more important than these, so it's not reasonable to start adding a section for every one of them. Each of these three shrines have their own main articles with more detail and more sources; whereas a summary of the city's shrines, with links to those articles, already exists. The summary sections could still be expanded if desired, but please retain a summary style for topics already covered elsewhere.

Before deleting, I've moved some of the materials to Al-Hussein Mosque and Mausoleum of Imam al-Shafi'i and adapted them so they can contribute additional details to those articles instead. R Prazeres (talk) 04:40, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Boundaries

Are there some kind of even general boundaries for this district? I'm still unsure why Old Cairo would be within the district given that "Islamic Cairo" seems to exist at all to disguish it from Old Cairo. Is this not correct? If not, what area is it supposed to be differentiated from? Criticalthinker (talk) 07:47, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

It exists to distinguish it rather from the modern city of Cairo (starting with Downtown Cairo) which developed beyond it. It's not an official district, more of a descriptive term, similar to unofficial toponyms in other cities, though my impression is that it's more in use by foreigners and tourists. UNESCO uses the term "Historic Cairo", which I've always felt is a little more objective and slightly less confusing. The general boundaries are nonetheless described in the lead, which states the areas included. Old Cairo is merely one part of it, just like the City of the Dead (cemeteries), as these are part of the pre-modern city. R Prazeres (talk) 15:01, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

So, Coptic Cairo is in Islamic Cairo. Got it. Criticalthinker (talk) 02:04, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes; another reason why "Historic Cairo" might be preferred to reduce confusion. And for that matter, to my knowledge, Coptic Cairo and Old Cairo are really the same thing, rather than different things as Wikipedia currently implies by having two articles for them (though they also have essentially the same scope). We'd have to review WP:RS again to be sure, but I think guidebooks and scholarly sources simply use either one of these terms to refer to the same area. R Prazeres (talk) 02:18, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

I wouldn't say that. There are areas in Old Cairo that aren't in the Coptic complex. Lots of overlap...but then so is Old Cairo within "Islamic Cairo." Criticalthinker (talk) 05:13, 6 September 2023 (UTC)