Talk:Islamic fundamentalism in Iran

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I noticed some claims on this page which need references and some of them have sources like note #42 but the link [1] is broken and seems the content is removed from the source website. -- Saeed (talk) 00:12, 22 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dividing[edit]

The article should be divided; Principle-ism and fundamentalism are totally different.دانشجوی گمنام (talk) 10:37, 3 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Section "Islamic republic and de-Iranianisation policy"[edit]

Section "Islamic republic and de-Iranianisation policy" is pure pamplhlet without any reliabe sources. 90% material isn't sourced and citations leeds to broken links or activist magazines. Whole section is removed because it has pure misinformation-propaganda nature, and if anyone is willing to discuss about any specific issue/claim he can leave comment here or contact me on talkpage. --HistorNE (talk) 08:17, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just few examples:

  1. Claim about "anational" Khomeini - falsifications like this are widly circulated in ultra-monarchist circles, see for example Taheri's fabrication.
  2. Hoax about endangering pre-Islamic sites - scholars call such claims as anti-Iranian propaganda [2].
  3. Claims that Karun-3 "destroyed" sites in Izeh - area was excavated by Iran's Archeological Research Center and governmental organizations prior submerging [3]. Many other countries in Asia and Europe faced similar issues and connecting it with politics is bizarre, especially with "de-Iranization campaign" since it's actually Elamite (non-Iranian) site.
  4. Claims that Khamenei or clerics "sought to stamp" Nowruz celebration - this is ridiculous since Khamenei actually praised it and even organized international celebrations [4].
  5. Conspiracy theories about "non-existent" ancient empires - such claims can't be found nowhere in Iran; by historians, politicians, not even charlatans.
  6. "Arabic vs Persian" subsection - alleged Rafsanjani's statement that "Persian will vanish" is unsourced and pretty much retarted since he never said anything similar. Post-1979 government is very vigorous about linguistic and terminology issues (like Persian Gulf case) and has own Persian linguistic purism campaign (like one from 2006 which was mocked in Western media as "Pizza vs. Elastic Loaves").

There are numerous other examples. --HistorNE (talk) 09:00, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More:

  1. UK Guardian article claims Iran arrests people for distributing Bible - there are oppossite sources like “Anyone in Iran can buy the New Testament". Any Iranian know former is true.
  2. Claims that Larijani supported stoning - he didn't, in interview he explained such verdicts are not implemented.
  3. Claims that Iran doesn't recognize irreligious people - wrong again, according official census more then 200 thousand people didn't stated any religion.
  4. Claims that Ahmadinejad stated that "Christianity and Judaism are deviations from the right path" - not sourced; his statesments were quite opposite.
  5. Claims there's no Sunni mosque in Tehran - absolutely ridiculous since there's no Shia or Sunni mosques, they all pray in same mosques but on different way.

I've checked history and noted that content was mostly based on notorious CAIS-SOAS.com, website blacklisted by Wikipedia, one-man-show led by pro-Pahlavist virtual activist and conspiracy theorist Shapour Suren-Pahlav. I'm inserting NPOV template until serious clean up is made. --HistorNE (talk) 02:08, 4 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • You have some valid points. The article includes statements that are not correct. Some references might not be reliable either. Sina Kardar (talk) 15:20, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Why does this article exist?[edit]

There is already a Iranian Principlists article. --BoogaLouie (talk) 15:00, 16 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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How does one know that she is lighting a candle in memory of 9/11 alone .she may just be lighting a candle for some other purpose WP:OR.Now I can show a picture of any women lighting a candle and saying that it 9/11 or an earthquake or anything.Erikshah (talk) 02:31, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Synthesis?[edit]

The article currently says

Upon the emergence of Cinema in Iran a century ago, Sheikh Fazlollah Nouri declared watching films an unpardonable sin and very few pious souls dared go to the movies.[37] Nouri was a senior cleric who was later hanged for siding with the absolutist monarchy.[38] Today Ali Khamenei is against both Iranian and Western music.[39]

It uses two different sources to build a narrative to connect Khamenei with Nouri. That seems like synthesis to me. Also, the last source doesn't say Khamenei is "against both Iranian and Western music". Khamenei's statements on music are more complicated: "Although music is halal, promoting and teaching it is not compatible with the highest values of the sacred regime of the Islamic Republic." This is clear contradiction of Nouri saying music is a "sin".VR talk 14:37, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Vice regent: I think you are right. This article is both poor-sourced and outdated, maybe it is better to write it from scratch again. Feel free to remove material like that. Pahlevun (talk) 18:56, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adding history section[edit]

a long history section from Islamist Shi'ism article has been added by me. It will have to be changed somewhat and the original in Islamist Shi'ism trimmed way down. --Louis P. Boog (talk) 03:35, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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