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pre-January 2012 content[edit]
The edit of 1 Feb 2012 07:36 is titled "restored some remove content". However this is effectively a revert of edits which were intended to lessen the advertising tone and jargon previously in this article. I believe most of the factual content was retained, albeit heavily reworded for the above aims. Also, the article was restructured (so that people who are not experts in Bose product categorisation can follow it easier) and this has been reverted. Please identify specific phrases that do not have an equivalent in the new text, then we can incorporate them in a more neutral manner.1292simon (talk) 07:30, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Please see your talk page. -- Phoenix (talk) 11:23, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Noted. Please identify specific issues here. I have gone to much effort to edit in a way that specific issues/sections can be identified easily for discussion and revision (ie I revised the structure first, then changed to each section in separate edits). The method you are using (just reverting the whole page with only very vague description and no Talk) is hindering progress on improving the article and makes life hard for other editors. Please respect others contributions and be more specific with your edits and discussions 1292simon (talk) 00:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Phoenix, your edit summary of "Blanked almost 50% of the article" is misleading, since much of that is either spec tables (discussed separately below) or rewriting verbose jargon descriptions.1292simon (talk) 07:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Article structure[edit]
"Freestyle" and "cinemate" do not confirm to general acceptance of term "speaker package" (which does not include an amplifier). Therefore this heading has been removed and "Freestyle" and "Cinemate" have been moved up to level 1 headings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1292simon (talk • contribs) 01:06, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, I didn't think of it that way. I believe it is really important that they are kept under one grouping though. Any suggestions of a level name? -- Phoenix (talk) 05:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Introduction[edit]
Previous introduction was unnecssarily long (containing information better suited to individual product sections) and evangelistic. Rewritten to be concise and neutral.1292simon (talk) 01:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
- Ok so you have
- Bose 2.1 home theatre systems began with the Lifestyle 10 CD-based system. The current range uses DVD-based systems and AV receivers are designed for use with sources (ie DVD and BluRay players).
- I put:
- This is a list of Bose 2.1 home theater systems. Starting in the early 1990s Bose released complete stereo systems called the Lifestyle systems. They came with Music Centers that played CDs, AM/FM radio and had analog inputs. Since then Bose has released a variety of 2.1 systems, some with built-in DVD players, like the 321 systems, others like the Cinemates that are designed with only a single input for a TV's audio out. On September 28, 2010 Bose released a 2.1 system with a Bose-designed receiver with multiple video and audio connections.
- I believe there is room for us to work here, but a couple of things. Being an american company the spelling should be in the US standard. Two I believe that your intro can be flushed out a bit more and mine should be reduced. -- Phoenix (talk) 05:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
CD-Based Systems (previously "Lifestyle CD Systems")[edit]
Renamed to reflect functional grouping, which will be more widely understood than Bose's unique categorisation.
Many of the specs in the tables are not notable (such as how many inputs each system has, it is not the purpose of Wikipedia to be a complete collection of specifications), notable elements have been moved to text and expanded where possible.
Additional information re functionality of magazine-based systems.1292simon (talk) 01:13, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
- Your removal of the system chart in my mind is COMPLETELY inexcusable. This information was a PAIN to find and for people that criticize that Bose doesnt release information I managed to find it. It is sourced and much like many technical information on wikipedia it has its place. -- Phoenix (talk) 05:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
DVD-Based Systems (formerley 321 DVD Systems)[edit]
- Renamed to reflect functional grouping, which will be more widely understood than Bose's unique categorisation. Also, "321" is a misleading title because the section also includes 3-2-1.
- Un-notable spec tables removed, as per CD-based systems
- Virtual surround effect reworded to more objective tone using more common terminology
- TrueSpace section removed (definition added to text above), since virtual surround is not notable for a 2.1 HT system
- Progressive DVD playback is unreferenced and not notable, so it has been removed
- Remote is not "universal" since it only controls Bose products. This is covered by BoseLink text, so "universal" text removed
- Functionality of BoseLink explained more clearly in a neutral tone
- uMusic moved to GSX section, notable content rewritten to remove advertising tone
1292simon (talk) 01:35, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
- Umh
321 Series III[edit]
- Restructured to clearly differentiate between products
- Added explaination for Series I to Series III naming convention
- Rewrote storage capacity to be more objective measure ("hours of music" is meaningless without bitrate)
Freestyle[edit]
- It is not notable for a receiver to include a remote control, so this text has been removed
- Explanation of features rewritten to use more widely understood terminology
1292simon (talk) 01:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Cinemate[edit]
- Improved explanation about how it has only 1 input and why
- Rewritten to reduce advertising tone and to use more commonly understood terminology
- Advertising????????
- In 2005 Bose added a new speaker system called the CineMate. It used the same Articulated Array speakers as the 321II and much like the previous FreeStyle system it did not have the media center but a IR receiver. But this time the CineMate had only the single RCA audio connection and a universal remote control. The idea of this system was for people to connect all their video/audio sources to their TV and use the TV's RCA audio out into the CineMate.
- Oh man is that in your face advertising or what.... I say What????? -- Phoenix (talk) 05:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
- Advertising????????
- Removed uncited ("probably because...") speculation from Series II text
- More objective description of subwoofer level control
1292simon (talk) 01:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Lifestyle 235[edit]
- Description of Gemstone functionality rewritten to be more objective ("pushed out and directed") is ambiguous term in room acoustics
- System features described by functionality to clearly explain Bose jargon.
- Misleading marketing statements removed (such as "convert any stereo or mono source into surround sound", it is not possible to add extra channels, rather the system is attempting to emulate surround effects by processing signal)
- So it is your belief that it is not possible to create stereo from a mono recording? So you don't think that if it is now common place that that could be converted into 5.1? What about 3D from 2D film footage? -- Phoenix (talk) 05:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
1292simon (talk) 01:49, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Awards[edit]
- Moved to sections for each product
- Red Dot does not assess sound quality, this needs to be noted
- What do you mean by "weaselie" (I do not understand the term)? The average reader is unlikely to realise that a "design" award does not indicate audio quality, hence the explanation is required. As for the opposite which you mention, if there is a quote related to the award praising the audio performance, of course it is acceptable to quote it 1292simon (talk) 07:55, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
Amplified 5.1 Packages?[edit]
Can you please use sources to back up this claim, because it is just Factually incorrect. The Cinemate has RCA inputs... That's it. If you would read the spec table that you removed (which you said you wouldn't) you would see that stated for the world to read (now can you see how handy that is). How does that make it a 5.1 AV Reciever? The Lifestyle 235 has 2 speakers and a sub... Is that 5.1? You have made many good edits and many more really really bad ones. I have noted truthfully above and am not disputing those good edits. Please use talk page for all the other edits. -- Phoenix (talk) 10:45, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
- Please note there is a separate page for 5.1 packages (to provide more logical structure to the Bose product pages), this content will be moved there.
- There IS a a reference for the text about Cinemate only having one. The info in the table did not have any references. On second thoughts, maybe you thought the text was implying it was a mono input? If so, I've just reworded to clarify it's stereo.
- Woops, thanks for pointing out that 235 was in the wrong section.
- In accordance with politeness, can you stop saying things like "you have made many good edits and many more really really bad ones" and stick to neutral discussion of content which can be improved please?? Also, I'm glad you like some of my edits, but remember you do not own these pages so it is not for you alone to approve what stays.1292simon (talk) 23:13, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes this is not a 5.1 HT page and yet you had the 235 included with the DVD based systems... Really? Have you even bothered to research ANYTHING before you blatantly edited this page. Not only that you removed content that you said "I will leave it as an act of good faith"? Look you have to remember you have been making a lot of massive changes to these articles, and while some have been good edits, I have disputed some of them for not only for being WP:NPOV but for being just 100% false & unsourced. So please use the talk page for those edits. There is no reason to reduce these articles to become little blurbs as you have been attempting to do. -- Phoenix (talk) 23:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thankyou for pointing out the mistake with the 235's section,I will fix that. I have not added any unsourced claims, a lot of "my" text is just a rewrite of existing content for tone. So you believe "bigger equals better"? Well I think the concise articles which stick to notable aspects are actually more useful. I assume your vague edit summary ("rv incorrect information") refers to this. As for "...but still blatant removal of information", you need to be more specific, I have addressed your questions above in this talk page, so I don't know what you are referring to.1292simon (talk) 07:56, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- It turns out the problem with the 235 was just that it was a level 3 heading, instead of level 2. No need for the angry sarcasm over such a small formatting slip up. I have left the spec tables in like I said I would, not sure what you're on about here. Note that your subsequent edit (replacing "IR receiver" with the Bose jargon) would need to be explained in common terms for the average reader to understand what the device is) 1292simon (talk) 08:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- You removed all but two tables. How is that leaving them alone like you said you would? Look you have been very good at removing as much information as possible. Is there a chance that you could help wikipedia out and use the talk page. I am a reasonable person and I have made many of my objections clear. There is no reason to believe that we cannot find an amicable solution. -- Phoenix (talk) 09:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes this is not a 5.1 HT page and yet you had the 235 included with the DVD based systems... Really? Have you even bothered to research ANYTHING before you blatantly edited this page. Not only that you removed content that you said "I will leave it as an act of good faith"? Look you have to remember you have been making a lot of massive changes to these articles, and while some have been good edits, I have disputed some of them for not only for being WP:NPOV but for being just 100% false & unsourced. So please use the talk page for those edits. There is no reason to reduce these articles to become little blurbs as you have been attempting to do. -- Phoenix (talk) 23:23, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
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Propose moving article to "List of Bose home audio products"[edit]
In the recent AfD, it was suggested near the end that perhaps we should rename (aka move) the article to List of Bose home audio products. This sounds like a good idea to me. What do you guys think... do we have consensus for this? Fieari (talk) 23:58, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Pinging all participants of the recently closed AFD. @MrsSnoozyTurtle: @Michael Bednarek: @KH-1: @HumanBodyPiloter5: @BD2412: @Heartmusic678: Fieari (talk) 07:35, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support this move; that is what it is. The proper way to propose a move is through the procedure at Wikipedia:Requested moves, but I think this one can be done boldly. BD2412 T 07:39, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- I also support the move. Heartmusic678 (talk) 11:00, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Fine with me. The list should then probably be added to Category:Consumer electronics and Category:Electronics lists. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:28, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Also fine with me. Thank you Fieari, for checking in with us about this. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 21:32, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
Ok, done! Fieari (talk) 03:38, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
BOSE WAVE MUSIC SYSTEM CD PLAYER AM/FM RADIO. MODEL# AWRCC2[edit]
All I need are the directions on how to use the items on it. It came with no directions. Anyway you can help?? 2600:1006:B022:8441:DC31:7C5F:9954:7224 (talk) 18:11, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Anyway you can reply to this?? 2600:1006:B022:8441:DC31:7C5F:9954:7224 (talk) 18:13, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- IS THERE ANY WAY POSSIBLE TO GET THE DIRECTIONS ON HOW TO USE THE BOSE WAVE MUSIC SYSTEM/CDPLAYER AM/FM/RADIO? AWRCC2? PLEASE RESPOND 2600:1006:B022:8441:DC31:7C5F:9954:7224 (talk) 14:57, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
Bose Wave Music System[edit]
Radio 2600:1006:B022:8441:DC31:7C5F:9954:7224 (talk) 15:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)