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Zeus Temple Façade in the Pergamonmuseum[edit]

There are indeed some architecture parts from Magnesia (very few) in the Pergamonmuseum in Berlin, but they were not smuggled. During the ottoman empire Germany generally had special conditions with the Sultan concerning the sharing of the archeological findings. So there was no necessity of smuggeling. By the way: It ist very difficult to smuggle entire buildings.

Besides I have to extinguish the following sentences, because they are wrong:

"The biggest piece removed by the German archaeological team in this manner was the whole façade of the Zeus temple, which is currently in the Pergamon Museum in Berlin. Turkey has made several attempts to retrieve."

The façade (pronaos) of the Zeus temple in the Pergamonmuseum is, with the exception of two pieces, a complete copy (which is even obvious for visitors not being specialists). That means, the most elements are new. The remains of the original temple have been discovered by German excavator Carl Human between 1891 and 1893 and have been carefully documentated (which gave the base for the Berlin reconstruction). We also know very well what happened with the original façade and the most other remains of this temple: They have been burnt to lime by the Turkish local people between 1893 and 1895. 1895 Theodor Wiegand discovered this during a visit to the excavation site, and he even had a suspicion who did it (it was a local building contractor). At least during the 19th century the burning of antique remains in kilns for gaining lime as a base material of mortar was a common practice throughout the ottoman empire (cf. Volker Kästner: Der Tempel des Zeus Sosipolis von Magnesia am Mäander, in: Brigitte Knittlmayer and Wolf-Dieter Heilmeyer: Die Antikensammlung, Mainz 1998, p. 230-231. Cf. also: Johannes Althoff: Ein Meister des Verwirklichens. Der Archäologe Theodor Wiegand, in: Peter Behrens, Theodor Wiegand und die Villa in Dahlem. Klaus Rheidt and Barbara A. Lutz (ed.), Mainz 2004, p. 151). So the Turkish authorities would be bad advised trying to retrieve what is almost entirely a bare copy! -- Achsenzeit (talk) 18:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

move to Magnesia ad Meandrum?[edit]

This spelling matches Magnesia ad Sipylum and seems to be the original spelling, and its current spelling in Turkey, according to the national ministry of culture: [1] . Should the article be renamed? –SJ + 08:24, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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