Talk:Rajput

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 December 2023

Request to change Nomadic tribes to Banjara. As Nomadic tribes is non - specific. In Thar Desert Banjaras were prominent and popular Nomadic tribe. Banjaras had monopoly over trade in medieval era. Thousands of rich Banjara merchants and chief were Rajputized under Rajputization Sudeep JS (talk) 11:40, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 12:49, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 December 2023

Make following addition to this article:- 1) Add origin of Rathore clan of Rajputs from Rashtrakutas of Karnataka who ruled over a vast area during early mediaeval times. Variations of Rashtrakutas like, Ratta,Rattakut are mentioned in the inscriptions of Ashok.

2) Al Masudi came to India with Mohammad Ghazni in 10th century. He described the area ruled by Hindu Shahi dynasty of Afghanistan as "Rajput".

Included this reference in the origin section.

3) Emperor Harshvardhan called himself Rajputra. Please include this in the origin section.

4) Most of the opinions of the historians added are Marxist with biased view against Rajputs and hence cannot be trusted. So,their references should be removed.

These historians have ulterior motive. Abhimanyu200 (talk) 20:34, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done Please include the exact text you wish to add and please provide reliable sources. RegentsPark (comment) 20:53, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 April 2024

It is mentioned that Rajput caste is cluster of keen bodies which is not true FireAbhi (talk) 13:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DrowssapSMM 01:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Rajputs are the decendents of old vedic Kshatriyas. Hence, there is need to add thier varna as Kshatriya

It is clearly proved in a book named "Kshatriyas and Would-be Kshatriyas" by "Kumar Cheda Singh Verma" that the Rajputs are decendents of the old vedic Kshatriyas. The word "Rajput" is derived from the word "Rajputra", which is a term used to denote "Kshatriya" in ancient hindu texts. I have provided the reference with a link. You can check it and the varna of Rajputs as Kshatriya.

I request you to add the following things:

1) Varna: Kshatriya, The varna of Rajputs is Kshatriya. Hence, varna should be included as Kshatriya. It should be added in infobox and also the places were the varna is discussed.

2) Origin: The Rajputs are originated from the old Vedic Kshatriyas. While a few clans may have origins in pastoral or Shudra communities, that doesn't mean the whole Rajput community is of that origin. It is clearly proven in the book "Kshatriyas and Would-be Kshatriyas" by "Kumar Cheda Singh Verma" that the 'Rajput',' 'Kshatriya,' 'Thakur,' 'Chattri,' and 'Rajputra' are all equivalent terms used to denote ancient Vedic Kshatriyas who belonged to a royal bloodline of kings. In conclusion, it is clearly proved that Rajputs are descendants of ancient Vedic Kshatriyas, and their varna is Kshatriya.

3) Remove the lines where it is written that Rajputs are of Pastoral, Shudra or Nomadic tribe origin. And add "Rajputs are decendants of vedic Kshatriyas".

4) Please replace "The term Rajput covers various patrilineal clans historically associated with warriorhood: several clans claim Rajput status, although not all claims are universally accepted. According to modern scholars, almost all Rajput clans originated from peasant or pastoral communities." With "The term Rajput covers various patrilineal Kshatriya clans historically associated with warriorhood. The Rajputs are descendants of ancient Vedic Kshatriyas."

Link of refrence = https://books.google.co.in/books?id=SFUoAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=kshatriya+and+would+be+kshatriya&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&ovdme=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi6wsjn3OaFAxUZmq8BHWrMAjEQ6AF6BAgIEAM#v=onepage&q=Rajput&f=false

Gaurav Bisen Powar (talk) 05:54, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you are absolutely right brother. These changes are very essential for this page. If anyone can do these changes then it will be good for this page. Alex Cupper (talk) 07:20, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

• Kshatriyas and Would-be Kshatriyas (1904) by Kumar Cheda Singh Verma is not a reliable source. Use only up-to-date academic sources for caste content, and never anything published during the British Raj. See WP:RAJ. Bishonen | tålk 22:02, 30 April 2024 (UTC).

"Kshatriyas and Would-be Kshatriyas " is one of the most reliable book when it comes to real history and origin of Rajputs. It is totally based on the real evidences that proves Rajputs are decendants of Kshatriyas. Also, it is not based on British Raj sources. All the theories regarding the origin of Rajputs is discussed in this book and the conclusion is that "Rajputs are decendants of Kshatriyas".

I request you to edit the following things:

1) Varna: Kshatriya, The varna of Rajputs is Kshatriya. Hence, varna should be included as Kshatriya. It should be added in infobox and also the places were the varna is discussed.

2) Origin: The Rajputs are originated from the old Vedic Kshatriyas. While a few clans may have origins in pastoral or Shudra communities, that doesn't mean the whole Rajput community is of that origin. It is clearly proven in the book "Kshatriyas and Would-be Kshatriyas" by "Kumar Cheda Singh Verma" that the 'Rajput',' 'Kshatriya,' 'Thakur,' 'Chattri,' and 'Rajputra' are all equivalent terms used to denote ancient Vedic Kshatriyas who belonged to a royal bloodline of kings. In conclusion, it is clearly proved that Rajputs are descendants of ancient Vedic Kshatriyas, and their varna is Kshatriya.

3) Remove the lines where it is written that Rajputs are of Pastoral, Shudra or Nomadic tribe origin. And add "Rajputs are decendants of vedic Kshatriyas".

4) Please replace "The term Rajput covers various patrilineal clans historically associated with warriorhood: several clans claim Rajput status, although not all claims are universally accepted. According to modern scholars, almost all Rajput clans originated from peasant or pastoral communities." With "The term Rajput covers various patrilineal Kshatriya clans historically associated with warriorhood. The Rajputs are descendants of ancient Vedic Kshatriyas.

Gaurav Bisen Powar (talk) 06:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

The source is unreliable, already mentioned above! Ekdalian (talk) 18:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Also, Gaurav Bisen Powar, what do you mean by saying the book "is not based on British Raj sources"? It's from 1904! If it's based on sources that are still older than the British Raj, then that's all the worse. I repeat: Use only up-to-date academic sources for caste content. If you don't listen to advice from experienced users, you will have a difficult time here. Bishonen | tålk 19:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC).

Rajput and Rajputra are two different words

@LukeEmily, The words Rajput and Rajputra are not the same, Rajputra means son of a king, there are kings in every caste, tribe and varna, so will all these kings be considered Rajputs? In the Ramayana, Meghnatha is described as the Rajputra and even an inscription at Huna Toramana declares him as Rajputra. So linking the present Rajputs with the ancient Rajputras is baseless or else the word Rajputra should be explained correctly in this article. 2409:4085:8187:B581:0:0:35C:80B0 (talk) 12:17, 16 May 2024 (UTC)