Talk:Sharbat Khan

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Replaced transcluded image with inline image - {{npov}} tag as per dispute on Template talk:Combatant Status Review Tribunal trailer image and caption[edit]

Replaced transcluded image with inline image - {{npov}} tag as per dispute on Template talk:Combatant Status Review Tribunal trailer image and caption. Geo Swan 12:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

explanation[edit]

I reverted the poorly explained excision of the section based on the publication of this captive's medical records. The contributor who excised this section from this article excised similar sections from half a dozen other articles -- again without making an attempt to discuss their concern.

I responded to one of those excisions here. Geo Swan (talk) 07:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is simply wrong that i would not engage in discussions. More information about that here: User_talk:Iqinn#question

The wording of my edit summary might not be the best but it was sufficient for people who are familiar with the cited policies WP:NPF, WP:GRAPEVINE. And i thought you were. I apologies when you think there were words in the edit summary that offended you. That was never my intention. Iqinn (talk) 08:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Medical records[edit]

Additional explanation to my edit summary and the related policies.

"not relevant for his notability" The release of medical records of Guantanamo detainees might be interesting in the broader topic of Guantanamo, as for example some of the detainees claim they have suffered health damages. But this is the biography of Sharbat (Guantanamo detainee 1051) and there are no secondary sources in the article that discuss his personal health to a level where it could become relevant. The inclusion of this material is not relevant to Sharbat's (Guantanamo detainee 1051) notability and can not be included under WP:NPF.

"insufficient sourced" from WP:NPF

"Biographies of people who, while notable enough for an entry, are not generally well known. In such cases, exercise restraint and include only material relevant to their notability, while omitting information that is irrelevant to the subject's notability. Material from third-party primary sources should not be used unless it has first been published by a reliable secondary source."

The section is based on a primary source and therefore it can not be included.

"private information that could be possible harmful" Medical information are very personal information. All countries around the world i know have laws against the publishing of medical records. Publishing of medical information is restricted unless the individual agrees to it. Why? I can easily imagine a lot of situations where this could be harmful to an individual. An insurance company could reject to sell him a policy or potential employer could reject to give him a job...

Only one of these three reasons would justify an removal. This is not even a border-line case here. The material needs to be removed as soon as possible in accordance with our policies. Iqinn (talk) 08:12, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm borderline on this issue, I'm reverting for now so that the information is not lost in the fog of time (or you can move it all to talk page, at least, for now) - and I think it's fair to say that health of a prisoner while in captivity can be notable (especially in some cases where you see Guantanamo prisoners lose >100lbs); but it is a borderline privacy issue. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 16:23, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The material should not be moved to the talk page or re-inserted as it is not clear at the moment if it should kept private. The information is not lost. It is accessible over the history. I have given three reasons why i think the material can not be included into the biography article of the individual Sharbat (Guantanamo detainee 1051). You are welcome to discuss the issue here. Iqinn (talk) 18:22, 19 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would appreciate if you make a list of all Guantanamo-related articles from which you have removed information then, somewhere on your userspace, just saying "Sharbat - removed medical information"; it will allow us to leave the information deleted for now, with the knowledge it is easily re-found if consensus dictates. Sherurcij ^{(speaker for the dead)} 04:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

rough work[edit]

Pages that linked to "Sharbat Khan"[edit]

   Sharbat (terror suspect) (redirect page) ‎ (links)
       List of Guantanamo Bay detainees ‎ (links)
       Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/working/official Guantanamo names ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/working/Guantanamo articles I started ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/test ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/List of Guantanamo Bay detainees/by ID number ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/deletion watch ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/List of Guantanamo Bay detainees/ISN 1000-1463 ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/List of Guantanamo Bay detainees/ISN union ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/Afghan captives in Guantanamo ‎ (links)
       User:Star Garnet/Gitmo ‎ (links)
   Guantanamo captive 1051 (redirect page) ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/ARB transcript list ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/September2007/Index to Unclassified Summaries of Evidence for Combatant Status Review Tribunals Held at Guantanamo Between July 2004 and July 2007 ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/September2007/union ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/List of Guantanamo captives who went through the complete CSRT process ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/Guantanamo captives list of release dates ‎ (links)
       Timeline of the release and transfer of Guantanamo Bay detainees ‎ (links)
   ISN 1051 (redirect page) ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/List of Guantanamo Bay detainees/by ID number ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/Afghan captives in Guantanamo ‎ (links)
       Afghan detainees at Guantanamo Bay ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/Guantanamo captives list of release dates ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/Arb release decision dates ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/inprocess dates ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/inprocess dates ISN and names ‎ (links)
       Timeline of the release and transfer of Guantanamo Bay detainees ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/list/May 15 2006 ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/Individual OARDEC by ISN ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/DoD official Guantanamo captives' list 2006-05-15 ‎ (links)
       User talk:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/DoD official Guantanamo captives' list 2006-05-15 ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/AndyW's analysis of WikiLeaks ‎ (links)
   SHARBAT (redirect page) ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/inprocess dates ISN and names ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/list/May 15 2006 ‎ (links)
   User:Geo Swan/AndyW's analysis of WikiLeaks ‎ (links)
   Sharbat (Guantanamo detainee 1051) (redirect page) ‎ (links)
       Sharbat ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/List of Guantanamo Bay detainees/ISN union ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/additional notes ‎ (links)
       Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Drive/71 ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/September2007/union ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/List of Guantanamo captives who went through the complete CSRT process ‎ (links)
       Afghan detainees at Guantanamo Bay ‎ (links)
       User:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/Guantanamo captives list of release dates ‎ (links)
       User talk:Geo Swan/Guantanamo/Master list of GWOT articles I have started ‎ (links)
       Timeline of the release and transfer of Guantanamo Bay detainees ‎ (links)
       Wikipedia:WikiProject Afghanistan/Cleanup listing ‎ (links)
       User talk:75.6.154.184 ‎ (links)
       User:Tony Sidaway/Living people/tranche 081 ‎ (links)
       User talk:Asav/Junk ‎ (links)