Talk:Tryweryn flooding

MP who didn't vote against[edit]

Does anybody know who the traitor MP was? --JamieBattenbo 00:26, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I forget his name but he abstained rather than voting for the reservoir. --Stlemur 16:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Abstained or wasn't present? (There's no mechanism to cast an abstention at Westminster.) And when were the second and third reading votes? Timrollpickering 17:52, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Number of People Affected[edit]

Does anyone have any information on the number of people who were displaced from their homes due to the flooding. I think this would be useful information. 212.140.167.99 20:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Various websites refer to "about 70 people being displaced." A further quote from http://www.ilisu.org.uk/news12.html states -

Bessie Braddock MP (Liverpool, Exchange) said "Some disturbance of the inhabitants is, of course, inevitable. Everyone deplores the factthat in the interests of progess some people must suffer, but that is progress." Sir Victor Raikes (Liverpool, Garston), said "I agree that whether the number is 70 or whether it be 700 the principle is the same. I do not disagree on that, but what I do say, and I say it with all the emphasis at my command, is that if it is decided that in the interests of a large number of people the rights of a very small number of people are affected, then, subject to proper safeguards for the minority, the right of the majority must prevail." Hogyn Lleol 20:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

strong language[edit]

I don't know about UK english, but in American english, the term "drowned" carries the connotation of suffocation and death by submersion in water. The wording in the article is a little strong. Mabe "submersed" would carry less negative impact. None of the buildings "died", except in some metaphorical sense. Tim Bird (talk) 16:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Many of the articles written are by contributors with no direct connection either in time or proximity to the events related. There are many words promulgated with the intention of being emotive and incendiary. Drowning as you indicate conjures pictures of violence and death to the person. This diminishes the true spirit and feelings of the people of the time. There was a great deal of consideration given and shown to the people of the Capel Celyn village and the area as a whole. Fresh in the minds of the planners and engineers were the lessons learned sixty years earlier when Liverpool Corporation had to go through the same experience in the Vyrnwy valley. The village was submerged after consultation with the inhabitants and in a very traumatic period for all many niceties were observed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kskwords (talk • contribs) 18:14, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Any editor thinking of replying to this; I refer you to WP:DNFTT. Daicaregos (talk) 21:15, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Compensation?[edit]

I'm not sure why the big furor over a rather minor example of eminent domain. Were the displaced citizens not compensated for their loss? There's nothing in the article, but I find it hard to believe that people were pushed out without compensation. Any information on this? Tim Bird (talk) 16:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ref copyvio?[edit]

I'm not a fan of pop culture trivia, but will not presume on the proclivities of others. However, the ref link to How Green Is My Valley, a copied obscure magazine article (author unacknowledged), looks like a copyvio which should be speedily removed. At the same time, let's get rid of the whole fatuous irrelevancy of the Manic Street Preachers, eh? Bjenks (talk) 01:48, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Manic Street Preachers link is hardly irrelevant, as one of the biggest selling albums by a Welsh act, and being at this time, a generation old, it is unarguably responsible for introducing the subject into a wider cultural context.

As for it being fatuous or not, may I suggest we all practice the lack of presumption in your first sentence.Cymrogogoch (talk) 13:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Vote figures mythologised?[edit]

This appears to be the Commons vote but it didn't have 35/36 Welsh MPs all voting against as several names are absent. This BBC piece says only 24 Welsh MPs voted against. Timrollpickering 23:53, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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History[edit]

I've removed the edit from ip address '193.63.87.228' which states "NB: This is factually incorrect, the cemetery was walled and capped with concrete in 1964 and all headstones removed to the newly built nearby remembrance chapel." The talk page is the place to carry out these kinds of discussions, if the editor has a better source then they should update the main page using encyclopaedic language and remove the contradicting sentence entirely. They may be entirely correct, I have no idea, that's why we use sources! Telenarn (talk) 17:56, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

cemetery[edit]

This is conflicting information... shouldn't be too difficult to find out one way out another but absent confirmation I propose to delete this text... Alistair1978 (talk) 00:58, 16 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All headstones were supposed to be removed, and the cemetery was to be covered in layers of gravel, then concrete, but this was not done.

When the reservoir dried due to a drought in the 1980s and early 1990s the village became visible. The whole of the walled cemetery next to where the chapel stood was completely covered in concrete.

Dates[edit]

I'm confused by several of the dates.

The bill was brought before Parliament in 1960, passed in 1962, and the valley was flooded in 1965, but "the community waged an eight-year effort, ultimately unsuccessful, to prevent the destruction of their homes". Is the eight years referring to a movement that goes all the way back to 1957?

Also, "The building of the reservoir was instrumental in an increase in support for the Welsh nationalist party, Plaid Cymru, during the late 1950s". It increased support for Plaid Cymru a decade before it was built?

Cythraul (talk) 15:29, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

new music[edit]

fortynine uploaded on his soundcloud new music called capel celyn in memorial for this event 2A02:A319:403F:A980:D066:E232:A514:695C (talk) 00:46, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cultural references - literature[edit]

Removed reference to the flooding being central to W.G. Sebald's 2001 novel Austerlitz. The flooded Welsh village featured in the novel is Llanwddyn, which was covered by Lake Vyrnwy reservoir in 1888, not Capel Celyn. Updated Llanwyddn page. Suffolker (talk) 23:02, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]