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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet (talk) 02:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

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Emmanuel Zheng Ma'nuo

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  • ... that Emmanuel Zheng Manuo was the first Chinese student in Europe and the first Chinese Jesuit priest? Source: First Chinese student in Europe: see this paper[1] and this paper.[2] There are also several book chapters on this.[3][4][5] First Chinese Jesuit priest: the following article's title conveys this point. The entire article is devoted to this person.[6]
    • ALT1: ... that in 1645, a French priest took the 12-year-old Emmanuel Zheng Manuo out of China on a trip to Europe? Source: "Père de Rhodes set sail from Macao for Europe on 20 December 1645. His purpose was to interest the Holy See in the Annamite regions, which were experiencing significant growth in the faith thanks to the efforts of the Jesuits from the Japan Province. During his account of the Macao-Rome trip, the intrepid traveler mentions that he brought along a Chinese lad whom he personally baptized in Macao. With evident affection, he refers to the young boy as "mon petit Chinois," but does not provide any further name." (pp. 7-8) Zheng was born on 25 May 1633 (see p. 6), which would make him 12 at the time of departure.[6]

Created by TheLonelyPather (talk). Self-nominated at 22:42, 7 July 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Emmanuel Zheng Ma'nuo; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

  • Hey, TheLonelyPather! Glad to see you have continued your hard work expanding Wikipedia's coverage of Chinese Catholicism–I have been a fan of your work on Cathedral of Our Lady of Seven Sorrows, Suzhou for some time. For this article, I'm going to admit that I do not know a lick of Chinese (though the extremely excellent Uriel1022 does, so I welcome their comment if they feel they can contribute). However, I am extremely confident that I can AGF in this instance, especially when considering your record. With your QPQ done, everything else looks in order: citations are present, hooks are sourced and intensely fascinating (you didn't even get to mention that he was once captured by pirates!), there's no nom'd image. Due to the multiple languages involved, I have to discount any Earwig rating and just AGF (the 11.5% hit rate right now appears to be only false positives). The original hook is outstanding and my preference. And, TheLonelyPather, I have to agree: whew is right. Great work. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:46, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Dear Pbritti: Thank you so much for your kind words, and I am very flattered to have a fan on Wikipedia (guess the *lonely* pather isn't that lonely, eh?). I appreciate you for giving good faith to my citations, but I also welcome everyone who is proficient in the Chinese language (perhaps Uriel1022?) to check the article.
The Francis A. Rouleau article, which is cited for the hooks, is in English. I filtered out quite some of its content and opinions to ensure NPOV, but I encourage you to read it for your leisure. Again, many thanks and cheers, --TheLonelyPather (talk) 21:59, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
  • @TheLonelyPather: I had actually rather hoped to read the Rouleau article, but my access to ProQuest is impaired at present (Wikipedia Library has its ups and downs in terms of stability). Given the extensive volume of supplementary material, I was confident that my inability to access one source would be an inappropriate impediment to this nom's approval. When my ProQuest access quits being finicky, I'll give the Rouleau article a read. Some of my best friends are Jesuit priests, so your deference to NPOV is appreciated in light of how some of these dearly beloved friends are capable of certain...embellishments. Let me know if you ever need access to a print volume on Jesuit history not online, as a few of these friends are currently devoted to historic research. I highly recommend Uriel1022's work if you're unfamiliar. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:08, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Thanks for letting me know about this technical issue. Please try this link: [1] It is the same text, but in txt form (without any formatting). This should be easily accessible. --TheLonelyPather (talk) 22:12, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
For a passing closer, please note that I have utilized the above-linked txt version and verified the vast majority of the article's content. It's a fun read with some original observations that it's very proud of. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:27, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Xiao, Lang (March 2005). 清代初期至中期的留欧学生及其教育 [The Oversea Students in Europe in the Early and the Middle Periods of the Qing Dynasty]. 西北师大学报（社会科学版） [Journal of Northwest Normal University (Social Sciences)]. 42 (2): 32–35. doi:10.16783/j.cnki.nwnus.2005.02.008.
  2. ^ Tan, Shulin (2002-06-05). Ni, Jinrong (ed.). 清初在华欧洲传教士与中国早期的海外留学 [The European Missionary in China and the Early Overseas Chinese Students in early Qing Dynasty] (PDF). 史学研究 [History Teaching]. 2002 (06): 25–29.
  3. ^ Yu, Kuangfu (2013). 起航维艰 [A Difficult Beginning] (PDF). 中国人留学史 [History of Chinese People Studying Abroad]. ISBN 9787544625876.
  4. ^ Leeb, Leopold (June 2017). 第一位留学生”郑先生“ [The First International Student "Mr. Zheng"]. 我的灵都：一位奥地利学者的北京随笔 (in Chinese). 新星出版社. ASIN B071F8HP92. ISBN 978-7513326087.
  5. ^ Huang, Hongzhao (2017). 出洋留学第一人郑玛诺 [The First to Study Abroad: Zheng Manuo]. 镜海微澜 [Wave on the Sea of Mirror: Selected Monographs on the History of Macau]. Social Science Literature Press (社会科学文献出版社). ISBN 978-7509776391.
  6. ^ a b c Rouleau, Francis A. (1 January 1959). "The First Chinese Priest of the Society of Jesus: Emmanuel de Siqueira, 1633-1673, Cheng-ma-no Wei-hsin 鄭瑪諾維信". Archivum Historicum Societatis Iesu. 28: 3–50.
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