Template:Did you know nominations/Jack Kinzler
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The result was: promoted by Sven Manguard Wha? 00:49, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
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Jack Kinzler[edit]
- ... that NASA's "Mr. Fix It", Jack Kinzler, used fishing rods to save Skylab?
Created by JohnPomeranz (talk). Self nominated at 23:49, 17 March 2014 (UTC).
Article is new and long enough. There are some close paraphrasing issues with ref #3 found by Dup-detector. There are paragraphs missing citing. Hook is interesting and its length is under limit. Hooks fact "Mr. Fix It" is not cited at all in the article. Hook fact "Jack Kinzler used fishing rods to save Skylab" is not cited inline. QPQ review was done. Needs attention. --CeeGee 08:20, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the review. I think I've fixed everything that you've identified that needed fixing. The close paraphrasing of the NASA source (which was ref #3 and is now ref #4) is the reason for the use of the template in the reference section acknowledging the use of public domain material from NASA, so I think we're OK there, but let me know if you disagree. --JohnPomeranz (talk) 14:53, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
- What I meant were following phrases, which need a rewording:
- "Kinzler's greatest source of pride was that the parasol was conceived and executed almost entirely by government employees."
- "the flexible rubber boot between a space capsule and its re-entry heat shield that softened ocean landings"
- "to make his two famous golf drives"
- Pls add references for the 2nd § of "Early life and NASA career" and last § of "Skylab". After proper fixing, there will be no problem for my approval. --CeeGee 16:18, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
- Added the refs. For the second paragraph of "Early Life," all three sentences are from the NY Times obit. For now there's a cite after each, but could I just put one cite at the end of the paragraph instead to improve readability?
- If you insist, I will paraphrase the language I took from the NASA page. But before I go to that extra effort, can you tell me why I need to in light of Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Public-domain_sources and my use of the Template:NASA? In particular, I fear that any paraphrasing of the first two items you cite would be less effective that the NASA phrasing and, in the case of the language about the rubber boot on the capsule, could even potentially introduce inadvertent errors as I try to come up with some other way to describe a thing I only know about from this source. Really not trying to be tendentious here. Just trying to understand the policy.
- IMO, as long as any sentence in the paragraph is not a hook fact,which needs an inline ref, and all sentences belong to same source, you can do. The problem was that some sentences/aparagraphs were not cited at all. OK, forget about the rewording. I understand it is not necessary. BTW, I was not aware of that rule. Thanks for your patience.
Good to go now. --CeeGee 17:35, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
- Note: I added two commas to the approved hook. CeeGee's approval is almost certainly still valid, but I won't bump it to a prep area myself having made the change. Sven Manguard Wha? 20:07, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I thought about whether or not the hook needed those commas. I ultimately decided that " 'Mr. Fix-It' Jack Kinzler" was a restrictive appositive that didn't need them, but I could go either way, so let it stand. --JohnPomeranz (talk) 22:00, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
- Note: I added two commas to the approved hook. CeeGee's approval is almost certainly still valid, but I won't bump it to a prep area myself having made the change. Sven Manguard Wha? 20:07, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
- If you insist, I will paraphrase the language I took from the NASA page. But before I go to that extra effort, can you tell me why I need to in light of Wikipedia:Plagiarism#Public-domain_sources and my use of the Template:NASA? In particular, I fear that any paraphrasing of the first two items you cite would be less effective that the NASA phrasing and, in the case of the language about the rubber boot on the capsule, could even potentially introduce inadvertent errors as I try to come up with some other way to describe a thing I only know about from this source. Really not trying to be tendentious here. Just trying to understand the policy.
