User:Awesome Aasim/rfd rewrite

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Copied from WP:RFD with few changes

XFD backlog
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TfD 0 0 0 2 2
MfD 0 0 0 2 2
FfD 0 0 0 5 5
RfD 0 0 4 24 28
AfD 0 0 0 6 6

Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

  • If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
  • If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
  • If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss what should be the proper target.
  • Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)

Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.

Before listing a redirect for discussion[edit]

Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

The guiding principles of RfD[edit]

  • The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
  • Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
  • If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
  • Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
  • RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
  • Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
  • In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When should we delete a redirect?[edit]


The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

  • a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
  • if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").

Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.

Reasons for deleting[edit]

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):

  1. The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
  2. The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
  3. The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
  4. The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
  5. The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
  6. It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, are an exception to this rule. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
  7. If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
  8. If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
  9. If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
  10. If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.

Reasons for not deleting[edit]

However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

  1. They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
  2. They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in the article texts because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
  3. They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
  4. Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
  5. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
  6. The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.

Neutrality of redirects[edit]

Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

  1. Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. ClimategateClimatic Research Unit email controversy).
  2. Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
  3. The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

Closing notes[edit]

Details at Administrator instructions for RfD

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion[edit]

STEP I.
Tag the redirect(s).

  Enter {{subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion and enter }} at the very end of the page.

  • Please do not mark the edit as minor (m).
  • Please include in the edit summary the phrase:
    Nominated for RfD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]].
  • Save the page ("Publish changes").
  • If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page.
  • If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the RfD tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination.
  • If you are nominating multiple redirects as a group, repeat all the above steps for each redirect being nominated.
STEP II.
List the entry on RfD.

 Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries.

  • Enter this text below the date heading:
{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}} ~~~~
  • For this template:
    • Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=.
    • Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=).
  • Please use an edit summary such as:
    Nominating [[RedirectName]]
    (replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating).
  • To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects:
{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1}}
{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}}
{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}} ~~~~
  • If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template.
STEP III.
Notify users.

  It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate.

To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the respective redirect(s). For convenience, the template

{{subst:Rfd notice|RedirectName}} ~~~~

may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as:
Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]

Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages.

  • Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.

Current list[edit]

May 28[edit]

May 27[edit]

Roman Catholid Diocese of Down and Connor[edit]

Unlikely misspelling of "Catholic" not commonly found in the world, or in comparable redirects to any other of thousands of diocese with articles in Wikipedia. BD2412 T 23:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Alcohol drinking[edit]

Would suggest redirecting this to Alcoholic beverage or maybe Alcohol (drug). Alcohol drinking is not necessarily alcohol intoxication. Mondtaler (talk) 19:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Lisa Krueger[edit]

Also directed Manny & Lo. Delete it to encourage creation. Nardog (talk) 17:26, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Ford F-100 Eluminator[edit]

Delete - no such content at the target article. The "F-100 Eluminator" is a one-off show vehicle that is not and would not be covered at the target article nor at a related article. Sable232 (talk) 16:16, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

WWE Day 1[edit]

Per a 2023 RM, we have articles at WWE Day 1 (2022) and WWE Day 1 (2024). Make dab; no primary topic. 162 etc. (talk) 14:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Comment WWE Day 1 (2024) links to it in its lead sentence, could it be made into a broader article than a dab, or are the similarities too superficial? Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:41, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

NCAA men's ice hockey tournament[edit]

This title does not unambiguously refer to the target, as NCAA Division I men's ice hockey tournament, NCAA Division II men's ice hockey tournament, and NCAA Division III men's ice hockey tournament all exist. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:13, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Oppose, this is the primary topic. Add hatnote to NCAA Division I men's ice hockey tournament, per WP:TWOOTHER. 162 etc. (talk) 14:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Pole (Venezuela)[edit]

No mention in the article and no indication of why this redirects here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Look at the article history, this is a defunct minor political party. Retarget to List of political parties in Venezuela. 162 etc. (talk) 20:43, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Could this refer to es:Polo Democrático (Venezuela), a political party that merged into Un Nuevo Tiempo and is mentioned in the latter's Spanish article? That would mean the "2000" in the legislative election mentioned in the historical revision would be a typo for "2005", but I can't find any mention of "Pole", "Polo" or "PD" in either of the election articles. Given that "Pole" is a reasonable translation of "Polo" (the shortened form of Polo Democrático), the redirect seems plausible, but would need a mention to be added in the Un Nuevo Tiempo article. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Shams ud Duha (disambiguation)[edit]

The target does not disambiguate (or mention) "Shams ud Duha" Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

  • Comment Shams ud Duha is a variant spelling of the name, which is also sometimes also rendered as Shamsud Doha, or Shamsuddoha, including in biographies linked on that page. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:814B:EA3E:5ED7:3206 (talk) 16:47, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
    • That's as may be, and explains why Shams ud Duha redirects there, but none of the entries on the name page are of that form. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:44, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
      • I was merely explaining why someone would create the redirect, though it is possible, even if unlikely, that a notable person who's name is usually rendered that way will be listed at some point in the future. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:DDE1:EF29:F8DF:334 (talk) 03:53, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
    Delete. Could be useful later but not right now. Okmrman (talk) 04:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • If Shams ud Duha is a valid redirect, then Shams ud Duha (disambiguation) is no different, since it points to a target performing a disambig-like function. Otherwise, bundle Shams ud Duha here, if the concern is with the u in Duha. Jay 💬 08:52, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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Baak (Telugu Film)[edit]

Indian films sometimes do this thing were they reshoot 10% or less of the film in another language. Either way, there is absolutely no need for this redirect when Baak (film) exists. only 10% or less of people interest seeing Aranmanai 4 will likely opt to see this version due to low key release. DareshMohan (talk) 05:39, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Delete: I think this is the same film as Baakghost. It looks like there is no point for this. Cleo Cooper (talk) 06:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC) (Striking account globally locked as an LTA ‍—‍a smart kitten[meow] 16:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC))
  • Keep: This is obviously linked with the Afd of Baakghost. Here too, I suggest to Keep the redirect (and then rename. Baak (Telugu film) if needed, and maybe ask for page protection. Like that, history can be kept and further work on the article is easier. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Move to Baak (film) without redirect as the title has incorrect capitalization which is arguably an RDAB error. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Okmrman (talk) 04:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
Delete Baak (film) already exists, no point in moving stuff around. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:32, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

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  • Move to Baak (film) without redirect to keep editing history. Hzh (talk) 14:49, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting together with the other similar RfD below.
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Baak film redirects[edit]

Both of these redirects have no point. Both these redirects (Baakghost and Baak (Telugu film)) along with Baak (Telugu Film) were initially created by SenthilGugan as Articles for the Telugu dubbed version of Aranmanai 4. After seeing no need for another article, when there's already a primary article and an Afd the pages were turned to redirects. But, there is no need these many redirects, as not even the Google recognizes these names. I only included two redirects because, the other one has already been Rfded. 𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓪𝓷24𝓑𝓲𝓸 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 11:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisting comment: Any further thoughts?
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Cedar Ridge Middle School[edit]

Delete for no mention at the target, and therefore confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:04, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

  • This is a former article that was WP:BLARed in 2014 per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. The mention in the target article was removed in 2019 and it's no longer listed on the school district's website, because it was renamed. A mention could be added back to the target article, and the school is mentioned at Austin High School (Alabama). A different school of the same name is mentioned Oregon Trail School District, but I don't know if that's enough to justify disambiguation. - Eureka Lott 19:58, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
  • The school is listed at the target article in the listing of middle schools. That's enough for the redirect. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 01:45, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Added the previous name mention at the target. Jay 💬 09:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Further thoughts on dabifying?
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Hyperstar[edit]

Not mentioned at target. For the former, note that Iran Hyper Star also appears to be written without a space on the logo. 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom for now. Seems to be a camera accessory and also a name for a series of hypermarkets according to GSearch. --Lenticel (talk) 01:59, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete Only mention in published research as a type of star is this, which is not even about metallicity but about a pathway for black hole formation. And the article it cites doesn't actually use this term. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 19:56, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Retarget Hyperstar to Carrefour, Delete the plural. Jay 💬 15:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

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Unlabeled[edit]

per wp:SRD --MikutoH talk! 23:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Retarget to wikt:unlabeled again. --MikutoH talk! 23:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Comment: dabifying is also possible as Unlabeled coloring, Unlabeled sexuality, Unlabeled - The Demos also exist --MikutoH talk! 23:15, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
I don't object. It seems like I incorrectly assumed your article was spam. My apologies. EdmHopLover1995 (talk) 23:16, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: I went ahead and restored the soft redirect, though I think this discussion should remain open since dabifying is also being considered as an option. CycloneYoris talk! 00:49, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete per Template:Wiktionary redirect. Wikipedia is not a dictionary and we don't need Wiktionary redirects for common words. A disambiguation page wouldn't be appropriate, because all of the potential entries are WP:PTMs. - Eureka Lott 13:44, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
    @Eureka Lott: As WP:PTM describes, some partial title matches do belong on disambiguation pages. I think title-subtitle is one of the more obvious cases for that. jlwoodwa (talk) 04:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
    I suppose that could apply to Unlabeled - The Demos. Are there other good candidates for a potential disambiguation page? - Eureka Lott 18:37, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Dabify per MikutoH's last comment, plausible search term with several relevant entries. A Wiktionary link could be present on the dab if necessary. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: Retarget or disambiguate?
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  • I go for convert to disamb page, per Chaotic Enby's reasoning. I don't see an obvious primary topic here. — AP 499D25 (talk) 13:57, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Retarget to Unlabeled - The Demos per Shhh as a WP:ATD. Second choice, Delete per Eureka as a recently created unneeded redirect to a wiktionary page of an adjective word. Jay 💬 20:11, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
  • Disambiguate per !votes to that end above. BD2412 T 23:52, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Box 850[edit]

Not mentioned in target, nor anywhere else on Wikipedia for that matter. 2001:999:68C:AC40:8038:7BCB:6859:B02D (talk) 15:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

  • Keep: Valid {{R from alternate name}}. "Box 850" is a nickname for MI6. See, e.g., [2]: "The United Kingdom's Security Service, MI5, for example, is colloquially known as Box 500 after its official wartime address of PO Box 500 and similarly MI6, the UK's external intelligence agency, is colloquially known as Box 850." voorts (talk/contributions) 01:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
    Right, but this information should be available on the target page. 2001:999:68C:AC40:95AB:EBFF:5287:8BF0 (talk) 14:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

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Older[edit]

Old business[edit]