User talk:Ashutoshkalta823

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April 2023[edit]

Hello, I'm Wracking. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Dumal, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Wracking ^💬 21:54, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Wracking It's a rural caste, and the history of the caste doesn't have research papers yet, so I put the data which are a common belief according to the folk lore of the caste people. They know their origin story but no one has ever done a research on it. The data I inserted is not in printed materials either as the caste people were not higher castes who had the facility of getting their history stored as a script, for which they relied on oral transfer. If wikipedia removes factual data on the basis of no citation then Wikipedia is playing a big part in being racist and discriminating against India's lower castes. Ashutoshkalta823 (talk) 04:36, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concerns– they reflect a broader societal problem, and one that Wikipedia alone cannot fix. Ultimately, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, meaning it collects information that has already been published, and is not a place for original research. The ideal source for a Wikipedia article is a secondary source, but if there are video or audio recordings of oral storytelling, that would also be helpful for the development of this article.

If there are reliable sources that have stated information I removed, the text can be restored with the references added. (The text has not been permanently deleted; it can be accessed in the page's history.)

There are some sources that cover Dumal people– they may include some of the details you added or wish to add. You can see those at the bottom of the article.

Also, when writing on Wikipedia please keep in mind the Manual of Style, which asks that editors write in a straightforward, neutral, and formal tone. (It is a long document, a simplified version can be read here.)

I want you to know that I'm on your team here. I care about representation on Wikipedia and I want to help expand this article. I'm a bit busy right now, but in the next month or so I plan to dive deeper into the English-language sources on this topic. Wracking ^💬 05:18, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Wracking I thought you are a computer program. My bad brother/sister. Sorry for the tone. The dumal caste is a very backward regional group of formation limited to the western part of Odisha state and that's why they were unable to put anything in any documents. They relied on oral transfer of their ancestral history. Even till now they don't have any proper representation in anywhere let alone social media or research papers. The data I gave was collected from the members of Dumal community meetings held annually, which are held orally and doesn't have data stored in print media. I just compiled all the stories and put it in like the story. Tell me what can I do to make it possible for Wikipedia to not delete the story. Also citation is not possible and can't be done by anyone as there's no documents available, and lack of citations should not be the reason to eliminate a community's history. Ashutoshkalta823 (talk) 05:30, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries! (The initial message I sent was semi-automated; a computer program created it, but it was my decision to post it while browsing Wikipedia.)

Like I said, a lack of sourcing will inhibit the ability to add certain content to the article. If you have your own original research and experiences, I would encourage you to share publicly on the internet by submitting to a local newspaper or creating a blog– Wikipedia is not the only place information can be shared.

I've posted a message to WikiProject India's discussion page, so hopefully some kind people there can also pitch in. Wracking ^💬 05:33, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Wracking thanks a lot Ashutoshkalta823 (talk) 10:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]