User talk:Lembit Staan/Archive 9

DYK for True Pole

On 29 December 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article True Pole, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a stereotypical True Pole is a Roman Catholic? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/True Pole. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, True Pole), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (ie, 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:03, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Bobr v. Bobr II

Hello Lembit. Let me explain how I see it. We do, in WP:en, use the actual and formal name, with a prefix or parenthetical disambiguation where, as is common, the same name is used for different vessels, ie <prefix><italicized name><(hull or pennant number or disambiguation)>, per WP:NCSHIP. The dab is usually by pennant/hull number (not applicable in this case) or year of commissioning - see WP:SHIPDAB. That is the format I gave to the two EML Lembits. It is the same for the Russian era ship. It seems clear from the available sources that the actual name was Bobr. I see that WP:et agrees. WP:rs seems to concur in the article text - the only appearance of Bobr II is in the title, but they may have adopted a different titling style for their own project. I hope this helps. Davidships (talk) 02:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

• @Davidships: thx. Now that we touched this, please take a look at Bobr. Lembit Staan (talk) 09:09, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Done my best - like the other, it is not that neat, but it is the only way I found to combine the "ship" and "ill" templates. Davidships (talk) 00:38, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

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Hey Lembit Staan, I just wanted to mention that there's currently an Editathon planned involving WP:LABOUR that you might be interested in: The Tech Worker Coalition wants to improve the coverage of unions and unionisation in the technology sector from February 19 to 21. There's already quite a list of things to do, but few people to do them. If you're interested, drop by! Shushugah (talk) 13:42, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

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Those nobility moves

More articles have been moved than the ones you moved back, now we have some in English, some in Polish. Messy... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:20, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Piotrus: - Szlachta move was IMO OK (at least deserving consideration), but the whole edit was brainless. I also reverted the brainless anglicizing moves I noticed, such as those to "deputy something", such as Podporucznik -> Deputy lieutenant (Poland), sheesh. The rest I don't care. Lembit Staan (talk) 05:33, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Lembit Staan, Some are ok. Some are a mess. Nobility privileges in Poland? Deputy standard-bearer (Poland)? Tribune (Poland)? Deputy pantler? Master of the hunt (Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth)? Lot's of terrible OR... Ping User:Nihil novi for language comments, and as well as User:TheEditMate (please use WP:RM instead of being bold here, TIA). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:54, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Nihil novi: we are talking about page moves and edits by TheEditMate. Lembit Staan (talk) 05:59, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Could someone kindly list the original titles of the articles in question, followed in each case by the replacement title?

This would facilitate understanding what was done, with what effect.

Thank you.

Nihil novi (talk) 07:51, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Nihil novi, Sure - please see the list here [1]. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:30, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Piotrus.

Conscientious analysis of these dozens of article moves made by TheEditMate between 23 October 2020 and 13 April 2021 is a job for months.

Perhaps a practical approach would be to hold a talk-page discussion on each, as with "Szlachta", one at a time?

Nihil novi (talk) 04:36, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Links

Since when restoring redirects and one incorrect linking is "Correct text restored"? If fixing redirects was "useless work" then I assume reverting it is only more useless work right? You schould notice that one linking was corrected from [[Junak motorcycles]] to [[Junak]] motorcycles because "motorcycles" is not part of the name. I have restored correct version. Do not revert it, there is no point expect expand the version history. Eurohunter (talk) 09:56, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

In advance if you want to keep incorrect linking such as [[Junak motorcycles]] then you have to start changing links for example in featured articles which will likely result in a warning from other users. If it's not allowed there, it's not allowed here too. I hope this clarifies the problem. Eurohunter (talk) 10:07, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

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Splitting discussion for Chinese lists of cults

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Don’t put words in my mouth

This edt is completely unacceptable. What were you thinking? —Michael Z. 04:20, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

@Mzajac: Sorry, I was not thinking. Lembit Staan (talk) 16:12, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

I was very perturbed to find, by chance, that my intentional capitalization had been changed by someone. I am over it now. Please review WP:TALKO if you’re not familiar with the etiquette. —Michael Z. 18:11, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

		The Polish Barnstar of National Merit, 2nd Class
		On behalf of WP:POLAND, I award you the Polish Barnstar of National Merit, 2nd Class. Thank you for your efforts! Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:38, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
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FYI

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1067#Very_inappropriate_attitude_on_talk_(violates_NPA,_CIV,_BATTLEGROUND). You can now edit that article safely without the torrent of abuse. I suggest archiving the talk page to hide those ramblings, so they don't scare new editors. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

A belated Cześć!

Apologies for the extremely tardy response, glad to make your acquaintance as well! (And a warm hello to other editors here I recognize! Life gets in the way, apologies for my continuing Wiki-absence.) VєсrumЬа ►TALK 16:21, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Eden novels

Hi please can you clarify "We add this dab-note only rot rirles without parentheces" ? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 22:41, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Broken link in citation at question

Hi, you recently added a citation at question pointing to the URL https://urresearch.rochester.edu/fileDownloadForInstitutionlItem.action?itemId=32298&itemFileId=175942, which seems to be broken. Could you replace it with a working link and/or add metadata like title/author/year so that others can locate the source? Thanks. Colin M (talk) 01:31, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Jan Żaryn edit - clarification

Hi, you recently added the request to clarify the sentence, which in my case prompted the same reaction as your edit summary: huh? But seriously, the sentence is meant to say that his views on relations between Jews and other nationalities are out of mainstream, but because this has not been said directly by the sources, I wanted to change it to something to the effect of "strong views", of which characterisation I was unsure if it could be added. This is recounted in one of the articles in Polityka, which was originally mentioned in the first sentence to the criticism section but was deleted by Volunteer Marek. (Probably Wyborcza mentions them too, but that one is on hard paywall which I can't overcome, so I assumed that editors in pl.wiki knew what they were adding). PS. You forgot to add the second pair of curly brackets - if the explanation is good enough, you can remove them and reword the sentence accordingly. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 17:07, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

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Wąchock jokes edit reverts

Hey, Lembit! I just want to tell you a quick thing. I acknowledge my mistake with removing the Polish folklore category from the article, I'm very sorry for that. Though, the article still needs basic copyediting. I noticed mistakes in the article such grammar mistakes, references divided from text by spaces, and bad translations. There is probably more mistakes I didn't notice so I thought it was appropriate to add the template. Please respond if you want to share your opinions on this topic. MatEditzWiki — ^Talk!/_Contribs! 16:54, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@MatEditzWiki: Sorry I didnt notice the tag was added. Restored. Lembit Staan (talk) 17:21, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Your post at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment

Hi Lembit Staan, I'm writing to let you know that I've moved your question on Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment to its own section. Arbitration-related pages work a little differently and everyone is supposed to comment in their own section rather than threading discussions like most places. Please let me know if you have any further questions. Best, GeneralNotability (talk) 01:15, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

August 2021

Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page Language police has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. The summaries are helpful to people browsing an article's history, so it is important that you use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did. Feel free to use the sandbox to make test edits. " politcorrectness nazis " ? among other things, people supporting pc are usually considered to be on the left, Nazis are on the right Doug Weller talk 08:34, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Sorry, you are right. I am not a native English speaker and was under the impression that the term "nazis" has become a slang for people who forcefully enforce something. In any case, invoking ad Hitlerum was a bad idea. Is it possible to edit the past edit summary? to replace "nazis" with "enforcers". Lembit Staan (talk) 20:18, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation, but edit summaries can't be edited and there isn't sufficient reason for me using Admin powers to delete. Just do a null edit, ie add a space to a sentence, write "Null edit" and say whatever you want to say, eg - sorry, that was too strong, should have said "enforcers". At least that's what I would do. The word is used in English that way at times but in this political climate, especially while anyone who thinks people should get vaccinated or wear masks can get called a Nazi (really, I've seen it), it's a bad choice of word. Doug Weller talk 10:29, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Katyn Massacre

If I don't understand the change, that might be because you have not left an Edit summary to explain it. Please do so in future. Britmax (talk) 08:42, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Interwiki

Pease note that the code like pl:Białoruska lista katyńska for interwiki is now depreciated ([2]). We use Wikidata from this, very simple - click 'add links' in the bottom left, chose language, add link, all connected. I've removed the code and added wikidata links for those two lists. Please check your older article and fix this as needed - cheers! Please let me know if you need any help. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:44, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

@Piotrus: - You don't have to do this: there is a bot which does this. I am well aware of what you are saying. I am creating a big number of surname articles and I became tired struggling with really user-unfriendly wikidata interface. Of course, it works OK in simpler cases, but in general it is a mess. I am not going to go into detail, but I am going to do it in my way, sorry. It saves me a couple hours of life monthly. Lembit Staan (talk) 16:13, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Just in case the mess involves the wikidata interface, which is a bit cumbersome, I find it best to add interwiki from the new article - it's really just 5-10s process. But if you prefer to rely on a bot, np, it's a free wiki worlds :) Tnx for the articles (btw, you may want to beef up sourcing to show their notability...). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:04, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

@Piotrus: I do not really to have a stamina to write good articles. It so happens that diring a day I have small holes in busy time, so instead of hanging out in social media I write something into wikipedia. Sometimes you fall into a rabbit hole trying to fill some sprawling void consistently, and I prefer to interconnect various articles rather to write a single treatise. In this particular case, a page search accidentally brought me to a talk archive which discussed whether Katyn massacre be a Good Article and I was surprized to see that the editors in the subject had no idea what a "Katyn list" is (probably the term was copied from some source) and tried to replace it with some circumlocution. So I quickly cobbled up two stubs plus dab page, and then found that these terms may be linked in a couple other articles. Lembit Staan (talk) 03:02, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Tutejszy

I saw your edit here and after some cold-headed thinking, I realised that I was wrong to take one person's view and apply it to an entire group. If I were to make such a claim about Tutejszy liking the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, I should definitely insert sources stating that, or something along those lines (according to wiki guidelines). I do not say this in a sad manner, but a happy one, because I thank you for contributing to a better Wikipedia :) --Cukrakalnis (talk) 21:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

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Tschus

Why do you say it's not goodbye?

The wiktionary link says it's an alternative form of tschüss and the definition of tschüss is goodbye. Coastside (talk) 00:36, 17 September 2021 (UTC) @Coastside: No it is not. Read carefully. It has several transdlations. Nad "goodbue" is not its coms common meanings. Good bye is auf Wiedersehen in Germn. Lembit Staan (talk) 00:37, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

{{wiktionary redirect}} says: Only use it when ... There is no other Wikipedia page to which this would be an appropriate redirect, ...

There's a Wikipedia page to which this would be an appropriate redirect, so it should redirect there instead of wiktionary. It doesn't have to be an exact translation. Wikipedia isn't a dictionary. WP:RPURPOSE says redirects can be from "Closely related words". "Goodbye" is close enough to be relevant for someone searching Wikipedia for Tschus.Coastside (talk) 01:15, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

• @Coastside: - Sorry, disagreed. This will be a misleading redirect. Yes, wikipedia isn't a dictionary, and we do not create redirects to all wikipedia articles form all 300+ languages. Also the "close enough word" must be explained in the target page, which, of course, cannot happen in disambig pages. Lembit Staan (talk) 01:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
• @Coastside: - Anyway, I searched wikipedia and found a proper target article. Lembit Staan (talk) 01:32, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Advice

Hello. Need your advice as a specialist. A journalistic investigation was released about the huge amount of real estate in one of the persons. There is no confirmation of this official information. This person claimed that this was not her property. The source in which the journalistic investigation was published is not authoritative, but the information from this journalistic investigation was literally reprinted by several well-known and authoritative publications. Just reprinted it, without analyzing this information and evaluating it. Can we add this information by referring to these authoritative publications? Thanks! 2A00:1FA1:1DC:DAC8:43C:DDA4:6C58:398F (talk) 15:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, no; in general our policy about biographies of living persons WP:BLP disallows this. Wikipedia does not do dirt digging; it is for verifiable encyclopedic information. There are exceptions, but I don't think this case is one of them. And any exceptions must be discussed in the talk page of our article in question. Lembit Staan (talk) 21:53, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

help. 2A00:1FA1:4133:632E:AE:6D61:7DFC:4FB7 (talk) 21:59, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

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