User talk:Malinskt

March 2024

Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions did not appear to be constructive and have been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use your sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. FromCzech (talk) 09:55, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

April 2024

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Polka. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. Repeated vandalism may result in the loss of editing privileges. Thank you. CanonNi (talk) 10:08, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I don't know what you mean. I have not made any "unconstructive edits". Malinskt (talk) 10:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Please stop. If you continue to use disruptive, inappropriate or hard-to-read formatting, as you did at Fernet Stock, you may be blocked from editing. There is a Wikipedia Manual of Style, and edits should not deliberately go against it without special reason. CanonNi (talk) 10:13, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, can you explain this in details? I merely changed the text. Malinskt (talk) 10:14, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

According to MOS:GEO the name of a country in an article should be consistent with its article name. Czech Republic is the article name, not Czechia. CanonNi (talk) 10:16, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I will change the article's name. Malinskt (talk) 10:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Fernet stock doesn't contain "the Czech Republic" in its name. I do not understand what's wring with "Czechia" in the text then. Malinskt (talk) 10:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

What do you mean it doesn't contain Czech Republic? The name is in the short description, "Herbal bitters from the Czech Republic". CanonNi (talk) 10:20, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I see. I missed that one. I believe you are more experienced at Wikipedia article editting. Can I ask you to edit the page and replace "(the) Czech Republic" with "Czechia" please? Thank you very much beforehand. Next time I will be more careful. Malinskt (talk) 10:23, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

No, I cannot. The official name of the country is still the Czech Republic, and that's the name more commonly used internationally. CanonNi (talk) 10:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

That is not true, the official short name of CZ is Czechia, the constitutional name of Czechia is "The Czech Republic". Please, check website of European Parlament, CIA, United Nations, Google maps and so on. The official short name Czechia was accepted in 2016. The article does not contain constitutional name of any other country, there is no reason to use "the Czech Republic". Thank you for understanding. Malinskt (talk) 10:27, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

According to Name of the Czech Republic, Czech Republic is used far more often than Czechia. CanonNi (talk) 10:31, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I believe that the main reason why "the Czech Republic" is used more often is because you just canceled my editting where I upgraded the name. Malinskt (talk) 10:33, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for "upgrading" and editing names of a country despite been warned multiple times of MOS violations. Again, Czech Republic is used more common, whether you like it or not. If you would like to change it to Czechia, at least discuss on the talk pages first. CanonNi (talk) 10:36, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

As I told you, if we don't upgrade the articles on Wikipedia, it might never be "used more frequently". The wikipedia articles do not reflect the people's speech. Czechia is everyday more and more common in everyday speech. Also, you told me that I was reverted for imperfect editing, not because I upgraded the name.

It is important to bear in mind that Czechia is the official name of the country since 2016. Prohibiting such edits almost seems as discrimination. The articles are not updated with the current name. Is there an article where "Turkiye" is still refered to as "Turkey"? This is the same situation and your prohibition of my edits doesn't seem very adequate.

Also, I am from Czechia and as the citizen of the country I believe I am more qualified to decide which name is more suitable.

As you suggest, the article should be readable with ease. I am very much concerned that if article contains short names of countries only and then suddenly constitutional name "the Czech Republic" it very much limits the readability and flow of the text. Malinskt (talk) 10:47, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Turkiye is still referred as Turkey on its article and pretty much everywhere else. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not something you can "upgrade" because you thought the name is outdated. We use names that most English speakers are familiar with, and in this case, the Czech Republic. CanonNi (talk) 10:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Do you prohibit those edits too?

I take issue with your statement. If something turns out to be incorrect, outdated and so on, you can and should upgrade it. Malinskt (talk) 10:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Again, I do not prohibit changing Czech Republic to Czechia, as long as a consensus is reached, which none has. I'm merely following MOS:GEO. CanonNi (talk) 10:58, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, just clear up this confusion for me. If I edit the whole article and replace every "the Czech Republic" with "Czechia", it is good to go, or it will be never good to go until the page of "the Czech Republic" is renamed to "Czechia"? Malinskt (talk) 11:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

That is correct. It won't be good to go until the page Czech Republic is moved to Czechia after a consensus has been reached on its talk page. CanonNi (talk) 11:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

As long as the page of the country is called Czech Republic, this name is consistently used in Wikipedia. Turkey is also called here Turkey and not Türkiye. The move must be a consensus of users, not just the decision of one. Wikipedia is not supposed to set the trend, but to follow it, so the argument that until it changes here, it won't change in the world outside is not acceptable. It is assumed that the name of the CR change can happen after the Olympics. FromCzech (talk) 10:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, thank you very much for the explanation, in that case I will wait till the olympics.

Btw., please don't use the acronym "CR" in English conversations as "CR" is the official code for Costa Rica. For Czechia it is CZ. Malinskt (talk) 10:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

When the page is moved, the change in the texts will probably be automated. There is no reason for random changes.

I used CR as an abbreviation, not as an ISO 3166-1 code. Perfectly understandable in context, I don't understand the complaints. FromCzech (talk) 11:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Alright. Two things, 1) how can I help to - after 8 years - finally change the name, 2) there are some text lines with no link to the main website. That being said, after it is changed, we might need some "random changes".

It wasn't a complaint, it was a requirement. You are right, given this context, it was clear that you meant CR, the Czech Republic. However, CR officially refers to Costa Rica, and non-officially to Chechen Republic, or Chuvash Republic. I have seen many people using it in unclear situations and even on official papers when entering foreign countries. This is my explanation („nalož s touto informací jak uznáš za vhodné"). I believe it is clear. I will not comment on it any further. Malinskt (talk) 12:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Why 8 years? The next Olympics (2024 Paris Olympics) will be hosted this year. CanonNi (talk) 13:09, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

8 years since 2016. It should have been changed long time ago. Malinskt (talk) 13:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I used both code editting and visual editting, as far as I am concerned, I did not change any formating of the page. Malinskt (talk) 10:15, 3 April 2024 (UTC)