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Gourmand Cookbook Award[edit]

I came across this award reviewing a draft and it appears to be a notable award mentioned in several articles. Thought you might be interested in creating an article. See also es:Gourmand World Cookbook Awards. S0091 (talk) 16:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, it has an entry in 8 language wikis. Definitely seems worth investigating, thanks! Valereee (talk) 17:37, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tech issue?[edit]

I'm sorry I just reverted you. Occasionally I hit rollback by mistake. This is like the third time it's happened and it's frustrating. I have the confirmation prompt (are you sure you want to rollback?) and I always hit no, but this doesn't actually stop it from using rollback? I think I'm going to try and find out why that's happening because I don't think it should be. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:52, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, happens to many of us! Valereee (talk) 19:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well ideally the prompt itself shouldn't be useless. I'm going to try and figure out what's going on there. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Reply[edit]

"And also to prevent some sort of majority-rule thing, since obviously there are a ton of American editors who could potentially overrule any other country's editors." Yes, but nothing changes, since, if I'm not mistaken, most articles are written in American English. In my opinion, the rule is wrong; obviously, given the majority of Americans, most of the articles created are written in American English. In conclusion, I appreciate the basic idea of using British English as well, but it doesn't change anything since most articles are written in American English. En.wiki seems to have been created to be almost exclusively American. JacktheBrown (talk) 12:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, @JackkBrown. I've never checked, actually. But given that so many countries (probably most of Europe and former Commonwealth nations) teach British English, I'm not sure I'd assume that more American editors than probably any other country = more articles use AmEng.
So it seems like you feel the rule should be something along the lines of, "Since British English is what's taught as a second language in country X, any subjects that are closely associated with that country should use BrEng"? I mean, you could open a discussion at WT:MOS, but given that the Manual of Style is a contentious topic with over 200 archives, I would assume this has been discussed there before.
But here's the thing: This rule was in all likelihood put into place as some sort of compromise to prevent edit-warring. Changing it now would mean literally millions of articles could be thrown into contention. Like every European country, most of Africa, much of South and Central America, probably China and Japan...anywhere English is taught as a second language, which has to be over 100 countries, articles about that country would be getting the kind of pushback you're getting over adding that Use BrEng template at articles for Italian foods.
And for what? The different variations of English are nearly 100% comprehensible by pretty much every fluent English speaker no matter the variant they learned. Flavour vs. flavor or gray vs. grey may look "right" to someone, but that doesn't mean they won't be able to understand what they're reading. Even biscuit vs. cookie is comprehensible, and many of the words that are actually different words -- eyeglasses vs. spectacles, for instance -- are familiar to many English speakers. Even the words that aren't -- toilet vs. loo, lorry vs. truck -- are often comprehensible in the context of an article.
Why would we want to create a huge amount of havoc for so little reward? Valereee (talk) 13:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thank you for your reply. I would suggest using British English for all articles that use both forms, but not for articles that use only American English. In any case, I'm neutral; even American English has its charm. JacktheBrown (talk) 13:21, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JackkBrown, so if an article is written in AmEng, but at some point there's been some insertion of BrEng into it, we should change the entire article to BrEng? Why? Valereee (talk) 13:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say that. JacktheBrown (talk) 13:46, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm referring to the majority of the form used in an article, perhaps I have explained myself wrongly (example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pastizz&diff=prev&oldid=1223895275). JacktheBrown (talk) 13:47, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JackkBrown I only see a single change by you in that article (savory > savoury)? What other BrEng words are in it? On a quick scan I didn't see any? Valereee (talk) 13:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a single change; "savoury" is used in the majority, then it's correct to change only "savory". JacktheBrown (talk) 14:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, if savoury is used once and savory is used once, and otherwise the article would be identical in either BrEng or AmEng, you'd want to make them consistent. Best practices would be to go check which was added first, then make the other consistent with that first usage. But that's a lot of work, so if you're positive you aren't missing some other instance of usage of AmEng isn't also present, a BOLD change of that single word to make the article consistent in your own preferred variant would be fine, but if anyone else objected you'd want to open a talk section and discuss.
Be aware that this is a highly-contentious area to be editing in.
There's also no reason you couldn't make redirects for BrEng if an article is at an AmEng spelling. No one would object to that. Valereee (talk) 14:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed that you changed it to "savory"; in my opinion, this isn't correct, since "savoury" was written twice and "savory" only once (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pastizz&diff=prev&oldid=1223979366). The majority was for British English (of course I don't doubt your neutral point of view, you're an administrator and you know what you're doing). JacktheBrown (talk) 14:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, because of the wikidata item? Meh, I don't really care whether it's BrEng. It's not something I tend to worry about much other than for consistency within an article. I just don't want to see people bickering over it, which again is the point of the rule. If you want to revert, fine by me. Put something into your edit summary to explain to other editors, something like 'per talk at Valereee's page', so they won't think this is some sort of edit war over English variants since we had this convo here instead of the article talk.
Don't assume an admin is necessarily correct. We're generally pretty experienced, but it doesn't mean we know more than other similarly-experienced editors. It's generally also expected that an admin won't remain an admin long if they can't maintain a neutral point of view, but we are just editors whom the community have decided can be trusted not to abuse a few extra tools. Valereee (talk) 15:36, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) Hi, Valeree! Hello, JackkBrown, just can't believe how much text has been written about one letter. In the hope of avoiding at least some future disagreements over such trivia: the article Pastizz is on a topic closely related to Malta, so should use Maltese English (which is essentially British English but with some quite distinct and surprising differences). When the American spelling was added with [[Special:Diff/1021482067|this edit] in May 2021, the standard English/Maltese spelling was already in the page (the eighth word of the text). I'm going to go and restore it now but ... don't we all have better things to do? Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:07, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Justlettersandnumbers: in fact, I corrected the English form used on the article by writing "savoury" (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pastizz&diff=prev&oldid=1223895275), but then I changed it again (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pastizz&diff=prev&oldid=1223979366) because Valereee intervened by choosing American English (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pastizz&diff=prev&oldid=1223973758; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pastizz&diff=prev&oldid=1223973798); of course, I'm not misjudging Valereee. JacktheBrown (talk) 19:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @Justlettersandnumbers! Valereee (talk) 19:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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