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December 19

Can anyone help me correct the article?

Help! I'm new here and it says that my added article might be deleted. What do I do? Can anyone help me correct the article? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimbo_Boy <email removed> InnocentBoy talk 00:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I expanded the Bimbo Boy article. -- Jreferee 17:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

How do I revert an edit and its history?

I accidentally submitted an edit without logging in, and now my IP address is displayed, which I understand is bad because of possible hackers. How do I get that edit and my IP deleted from the history page? I have tried everything!

You can't, really. If you're really horribly off the wall dying desperate, you could place a message at the Administrators Noticeboard, and an admin could perma revert it. Two things, though: be very specific about which article and which edit, and do so post-haste, because if someone else changes the article first, I really doubt the admins would comply. -Patstuart^talk|edits 00:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

The most private way to delete it would be Oversight, which deletes edits so that only a very few users (these 23) can see it. However this is not a condition where Oversight should be used. It may be possible for me to remove the edit so only administrators (these 1,080 users) can see it. This depends on how recently the edit was made, and whether the page has been edited since then. If you show me the edit in question, I will tell you if I can remove it. Prodego ^talk 00:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Don't be paranoid. Leaving your IP in public is perfectly okay. WP 03:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

A friends Artical is being remove by one of your Admins

A friends Artical is being remove by one of your Admins, and the 2 seem to be at Logger heads over the guidelines. I will not take part in who is right or who is wrong, after all My friend and your Admins are volunteers trying to help others. But I want to be sure that my IP address, where my friend sometimes posts from is not in anyway blocked, and I ask if this Admin does try to block it that the block removed POST HASTE in the interests of fairness!!

I take advantage of your service alot, and I want to be sure no improper and unwarrented actions are taken agaist my IP AT ANY TIME by over zelouse persons, on your admin staff or my friends.

This is the right and proper course, to protect my interests without becoming directly involved and I thank you all for your safe guarding of my good name and IP

Thank You

RJ Bussiere <email redacted>—Preceding unsigned comment added by Rjbussiere (talk • contribs)

No one is going to block your IP for expressing an opinion. We block IPs and usernames for people who vandalize wikipedia or otherwise bring harm to the enyclopedia or its editors. Did you have a specific question or concern? From one of wikipedia's many admins.--Kchase T 00:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If you think the admin was overzealous with deletion, you can try deletion review, and it could be overturned. Patstuart^talk|edits 00:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Can I ask a question? If I found out that that an Admin had listed my IP address, how can I have it removed? I DONT want my IP address visable to wikipedia community at larger. What is happening that my IP address can be listed without my expressed consent.

I DEMAND in no uncertain terms that it be DELATED POST HASTE. If my IP address is listed it a violation of my right to privacy, but also gives would be hackers access to my network and files.

Please check this site for my IP address and if it is listed by any Admin, I want the IP address delated and the Admin that censored.

Thank All Admins that look into this, I am postive you know how I feel about this vurnerability to my security.

This is the page that lead to the dispute, and the Admin that listed my IP address. I was in no way involved in this dispute, and yet it is my IP address that Admin listed, and I cant figure out who the Admin is to go though proper channels to get him to correct his Mistake:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection&action=edit&section=11

• If you're not logged in. You're IP address is recorded as is stated clearly on top of each edit page. If you log in, such information is only available to a handful of people who treat it confidentially. - Mgm|^(talk) 05:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

It appears your "friend" was using your IP address (or an IP address that you two share) to disrupt the encyclopedia last night; perhaps you need to speak to him about this? (By the way, the debate isn't about an article, it's about an external link that your friend has been inserting into many articles about Vermont). For more details, see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#External links on Burlington, Vermont.

Atlant 13:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Deleting pages

How do I delete pages? I accidentally made an article I didn't want to make, and now I can't delete it. By the way, could I please get the response on my talk page? Thanks!--The Great Honker 01:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Simple paste {{db-author}} on the page...If it was a mistake and only had a couple of letters it has probably already been deleted. — Seadog^Talk 01:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

When is copy edit done?

When I have finished a copy edit, do I just remove the copy edit tag? Is there a review process before I do so? Antgel 01:04, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

You should post on the talk page of the article, to make sure there aren't still problems. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 01:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

So what happens, somebody "magically" comes along and reviews it? Do I still post if the article has no talk page at the moment? Antgel 01:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If the article has no talk page, then nobody's going to care, so you should go ahead and remove the tag. It's only if there are people actually discussing that it's necessary. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 01:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Search problems

When I search for certain words (e.g. "japan") I don't get a message mentioning a search problem, but when I search for other terms (e.g. "robuttnik") I do. What's going on? Random the Scrambled ^(?)(Vandalism and other nonsense!) 01:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Erm, try WP:VPT. I'm sure they know about this. -Patstuart^talk|edits 01:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If the article exists (such as Japan), it appears automatically. If it doesnt, such as Robuttnik, you get the search message — Lost^(talk) 01:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If you enter a term in the search box and hit Go, you'll only cause a search to run if there's no article with a matching name. So you won't always notice if the search functionality is down on Wikipedia (which is quite often), only when you enter terms that it can't find matches for. BigNate37_(T) 12:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Random the Scrambled ^(?)(Vandalism and other nonsense!) 20:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

move page

i accedenly moved a page does that mean the article is destroyed? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Falcon866 (talk • contribs) 01:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

You just needed to move it back. I've done so already. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 01:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Deleting search history

Is it possible to delete the history in the search window? If it is how can I delete it?

That is a feature in your browser, not Wikipedia. You'll have to consult the manuals for your browser. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 02:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know how I could change this option my Internet Explorer browser?

For IE6, go to Tools --> Internet options --> Clear History. — Lost^(talk) 06:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Goldierocks Article- how to refrence correctly when I believe it is already fully sourced?

The said article 'Goldierocks' has been proposed for deletion although it is fully refrenced, sourced and well written. How and where should I edit it so that this doesn't happen? What does Wikipedia feel is in-corret?

This is a rare but very useful article on one of the leading UK DJs of 2006 and essential for press/public reference.

Please email me soon as possible:

<email removed> —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Badel06 (talk • contribs) 03:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

Though you have referenced some sources for the Goldierocks article, the editor that put the tag there does not feel that they are reliable. You should read the page that was linked to, which was WP:RS.

I don't know about the references since I really didn't get very far into the article before I found other things wrong with it such as the use of the term "vixen". This doesn't present a neutral point of view. Please see WP:NPOV to address this concern.

And finally, you mention that the article is essential for press reference. WP:NOT will explain that Wikipedia is not an advertising medium. This is an encyclopedia, not a free forum for advertising. For instance, the page on Coca-Cola does not say "It's the greatest drink ever!"

I'll post these comments to the user's talk page as well... and I've removed his email address.

Dismas|^(talk) 04:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

How do I post a comment on aTalk page?

I am new at this so I apologize in advance for being clueless. I have looked in the FAQ but could not find instructions for how to post a comment on a Talk page for an article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sylviaa (talk • contribs) 03:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

You can simply press the + tab at the top of the page to add a new comment with a title and your comment. Comments should always end with ~~~~, which produces your signature. If you reply to someone, add a : before your comment on that line. This indents your paragraphs like so:

hello
:goodbye

becomes:

hello

goodbye

you can use multiple indents if more comments are posted, by using multiple colons ::::: .

See Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines for more information. Hope that helps, Nihiltres 03:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

copyright tags

Please help me. I posted a photo under the category of "Gary Gilley". The photo was taken by me at his church in Springfield, Illinois in 2006. I do not know how to add a tag to this so that I can explain that there are no copyrights on the picture. Can you help me? Thanks, Kris —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kristinemcole (talk • contribs)

If you want to release the image into the public domain, you can use {{pd-self}}, according to Wikipedia:Image copyright tags. Take a look at that page; it has a good amount of information to work with on image tagging. (Also, don't forget to sign your discussion page posts with four tildes, like I just forgot to do on this post!) Tony Fox (arf!) 05:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Question

I would like to know EVERY SINGLE TIME I enter factual information into an article that it gets erased and I keep getting warnings about my information being non-factual? I recently made changes to the "Civil Engineer" article. I work as a Civil Engineer and I can assure you that the "Fundamentals of Engineering" examination is widely known as the "Engineer in Training", but alas it was removed and I get another warning. You guys perpetuate an atmosphere of user editing...to add facts where they are missing. However I recently received a final warning for telling the truth. That is a crock and I would like to know why I am being singled out for telling the truth? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.201.19.242 (talk • contribs)

Looking at your last edit, on this IP, it doesn't look like the addition was that bad, and the vandal warning you received was probably a bit excessive as a first warning. I would suggest going to the talk page of the articles in question and discussing the additions you'd like to make, then waiting for other editors to discuss any concerns they may have with it. You may want to find a reliable source for your addition before putting it directly into the article; we can't use information that comes from personal knowledge. Cheers. Tony Fox (arf!) 05:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Additionally, consider getting a username. Its free and always taken more seriously by the recent change patrollers — Lost^(talk) 06:21, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Help

Im new at this and I accidently messed up the Brian Griffin page. Can someone fix it?

Done. Nihiltres 04:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

In the future, you can fix a mistake you made by using the instructions at WP:REVERT. — coelacan talk — 15:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Footnotes

How do I make footnotes in the text? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mscottknight (talk • contribs) 06:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

You might want to read the instructions since it can be complicated. ---J.S ^(T/C) 06:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

box template

Where can I find the template for a box such as this below succession box.

I would like to change the wording of "preceded by" and such but cannot find the generic template to work from. Lost Kiwi^(talk) 09:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Template:Succession_box Notinasnaid 09:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I don't actually want to change the succession box that is used all over the place, I would like to create a new one similar in form but with different wording. Lost Kiwi^(talk) 09:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC) ... and thank you Lost Kiwi^(talk) 09:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Do you have what you need now? If not...just click edit on a template to get the source code to copy. Notinasnaid 10:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Then you would take the source code that you copied and paste in at a new location, like Template:Succession box2, alter it as needed and save. — coelacan talk — 15:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Though to be honest, if you're only planning on using the changed template in a single article, you may be better off subst'ing it into the article itself. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 15:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Azureus

after Azureus 2.1.0.4 updating I can not see "my torrents" in latest Azureus version. Could you pls explain why? thanks.

I'm not sure if this question is about Wikipedia. Is it? Notinasnaid 10:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

No, this has nothing to do with Wikipedia. Try to have a look at the official supportforums for Azuereus. Bjelleklang - talk 11:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of history

How do you delete a specific history listing for a Wiki Page without affecting newer pages of the Wiki? We had some trouble with a person posting up pornography and the only way to clear it is to clear the History but we were hoping we could just delete the page he/she created on a particular date.

124.180.79.18 11:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

It is possible to remove the history from an article, but from your explanation I'm not sure if this is necessary. What article and user is this regarding? Bjelleklang - talk 11:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Help with grammar

Someone just added the following line to the article for Whipped Cream & Other Delights and due to my lack of knowledge about Italian radio, I'm having a hard time figuring out what it's supposed to say.

""A Taste of Honey" is the introductory music of a very famous Italian radiophonic transmission: "All soccer every minute", in wave every Sunday commenting Italian soccer championship."

If someone could edit the page so that it makes a bit more sense, please do! I'm particularly stuck on what the word "wave" means in this context. Dismas|^(talk) 13:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Try "in wave" -> "broadcast", "commenting" -> "commenting on the". Notinasnaid 18:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I substituted the following:

"A Taste of Honey" is the introductory music of a famous Italian radio programme: ":it:Tutto il calcio minuto per minuto" literally "All soccer minute by minute", broadcast every Sunday with match commentaries and the latest scores from Italian football.

I hope this is what was meant. JMcC 18:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, that makes much more sense. Dismas|^(talk) 22:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

How does one write a Table of Content on wikipedia?

How do I write a Table of Content?

After an article has four sections, the TOC will automatically be put into the article. See Help:Section#Table of contents (TOC) for more info. Dismas|^(talk) 14:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Duplicate account

Re: Created a duplicate account and need to delete the original.

I created an account not realizing the username is what appears on the page. I then created a new account with our full name as a username. Will you dete or hide the origianl account and username Rockefeller College of Public Affairs & Policy 15:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I need to delete this account. It is a duplicate. How do I do this?

Is it really necessary? If you simply don't use the old one, nobody will ever know about it. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 15:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually from the name of the accounts I get the impression that these are supposed to be used by more than one person. I can't find the particular policy right now, but I know that this is against Wikipedia rules. Both accounts may have to be blocked. — coelacan talk — 15:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

one account for multiple users

Can anyone find the policy on a single account used by multiple users? I know it's prohibited but I can't pin down where. — coelacan talk — 16:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppetry#'Role' accounts. Titoxd^(?!?) 18:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Or http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Role_account. User:Zoe|(talk) 19:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Deleting a duplicate account

This account is a duplicate. Please delete it Rockefeller College of Public Affairs & Policy 15:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately, due to the terms of the license Wikipedia's content is under, and the way that Wikipedia's database is set up, once an account has been used to make an edit it's nigh-on impossible to delete it. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 15:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Adding a school to wikipedia

Hello,

I am interested in placing information about our graduate program on wikipedia as other schools such as Boston University and Duke have. How would I go about doing this? Would I simply create an account and add this information as an article or a page? Or should I be doing something else.

Thanks,

MJ—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 132.183.116.141 (talk) 15:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

You don't need to register to add information, although it does give advantages. If you want to create a new page, though, you will have to register an account, unless you use Wikipedia:Articles for creation. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 15:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

You should also make sure first that your school meets our notability guidelines, at WP:SCHOOL, and include third-party citations that prove this. — coelacan talk — 16:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Well first, that link is a proposal, it hasn't been accepted yet, and it seems to be only about primary and secondary schools. Is there something that specifically addresses post-secondary? Anchoress 18:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd think that schools with legitimate graduate programs are notable simply based on that fact. Chris M. 19:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

how to edit a post you have already submitted

hello, I recently submitted a question on the Language discussion board. I forgot to put my signature on it and it also has no "edit" button at the end like the other posts above it have. Does this mean that no one will be able to respond to my post? Also, how can I go back and add my signature?

thanks, --Forever194 17:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• I see someone's already fixed that for you with the "unsigned" template. That section has an "edit" option, now, too. AndyJones 17:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
• But for what it's worth, if you ever find yourself in that situation, just scroll back up the page to the last "edit" option you can see. You'll usually find your contribution at the end. AndyJones 17:08, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

responding to a reference desk post

how do i respond to a post on the reference desk site? i tried pressing edit, deleting the poster's post and then typing my response in that space but then when I went to look at the post again, my response wasn't there. is it that only people working at wikipedia can respond at the reference desk?

No, anyone can respond at the reference desk. Also, please don't delete what other people have written - it's considered rude or even vandalism. That may be why you didn't see your change - someone changed it back right away thinking that you shouldn't have done that. Take a look at the Wikipedia talk page guidelines, since the Reference Desk is effectively a talk page. Nihiltres 17:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

In short, put a colon ":" and then your message directly underneath the question you are responding to. Chris M. 19:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

And remember to sign your post so people know who has responded. —Keakealani 22:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Enabling email

I hesitate to use the "enable email from other users" feature because I don't want my address to be seen and used for hate mail or spam. When I email another user, is my email address visible to anyone else but that user? Thanks - Her Pegship (tis herself) 18:24, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

No. The only person who will see your email address is the person who you contact by email. In addition, a person who sends you a message will not see your email address unless you reply to them. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

• Why not register a separate email address for Wikipedia communications. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:30, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Bukit Batu Buli in Italy?

In Google Earth near the Matterhorn is a blob which claims to be caused by a link to Wikipedia. The link is to Bukit Batu Buli which is a mountain in Sarawak, not northern Italy. GE is littered with all sorts of irrelevant user-generated tags, and this may be another. However if Wikipedia somehow generated it, I would like to get rid of it to keep up the impression that WP is accurate. However I can see nothing in the Wikipedia article that would it link to Google Earth. Any ideas? JMcC 18:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

Let's say, as an example, The Organization for the Advancement of Video Games published a list of what they considered the top ten video games. Now, I know it wouldn't belong here as simply a "statement of fact". But could it be included if it is explained in detail why each video game was chosen? Foxjwill 19:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, if their list was titled as such (their own opinions) and their explanations were given (in summary or quote) and a source was cited, then I see it as being perfectly reasonable and not at all POV, nor Original research. Chris M. 19:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Copyright law may prevent the inclusion of a whole list; lists like "Rolling Stone's Top 500 Guitarists" have been removed for this reason. Notinasnaid 20:23, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

And if TOfAoVG was considered a notable enough organisation, then the inclusion of a game on the list might be worthy of mentioning on the game's page in the form "The Organization for the Advancement of Video Games placed Riverdance: The Game sixth on its list of Top Ten Video Games{{cite}}". Confusing Manifestation 13:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you all very much. Foxjwill 01:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

hi

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Hi how do I get an article in word format or better if I could get it on my Email?

Kindly assist. Sakshi Munjal {email removed}

Simply copy and paste the article text into Word, or into your e-mail program. Notinasnaid 20:22, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

You might also be interested in the "Printable version" feature. There is a link in the toolbox (found on the left hand side of your screen using the default skin).—WAvegetarian•(talk) 20:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Starting a new page

how do I create a wikipedia page? Hollowhead59 20:43, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

See: Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. Jacek Kendysz 20:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Obviously, there's a quantity of research involved, plus the task of forming a suitable page structure (headings, pictures, infoboxes, what to say, etc.), so I would recommend first typing your article in a word processor prior to pasting it into the text box and adding the Wiki formatting for links, text styles and so on. I find that this approach allows me to take my time over the most difficult bit - constructing the article. Oh, and don't forget to cite your sources. Adrian M. H. 21:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

How can I assign my username to my IP address on an article I edited?

I wrote the original 'Emergent Play' definition, and would like to be credited with it in the history, despite having written it before I created an account.

I still have the same IP address as when I wrote the article.

How do I go about getting my name there instead of the IP address?

Thanks, Smart. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ssmart (talk • contribs) 21:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

Unfortunately, you can't, as far as I know. You could indicate on your user page that you wrote the article, but I don't think there is a way to transfer edits from IP to registered account. —Keakealani 21:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If you want to make sure that no one will doubt you made those edits, you can log out, and from the IP itself, go edit your user page at User:Ssmart in some way that would indicate credit. I have also seen anonymous IPs include links to a user page in their edit summaries. Edit summaries can themselves contain wikilinks, so you could put "This IP is User:Ssmart in your edit summary" and hope other users get the picture. Technically, that's the extent of what can be done. Hope that helps. — coelacan talk — 22:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

would like to delete an article and it won´t go

i have created an article and unfortunately at that time i was not logged on yet, I have now registered, with wikipedia and would like to delete that particular article, but your website won´t let me, I have tried your help to revert to original web page but it keeps appearing as normal and no changes have been registered, please help me to resolve this thank you j —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Janta712 (talk • contribs) 22:26, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

I assume you're talking about the article for Volkovce? Articles can't simply be blanked out and thus deleted. This just leaves an empty page. Besides which, the page looks fine, why would it need to be deleted? Dismas|^(talk) 22:44, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

You cannot delete any article, whether or not you created it: when you made it, you gave it away to Wikipedia. And blanking an article doesn't delete it; it is just considered as a kind of vandalism. However, you may be able to request that it be deleted. To help us give you good advice, please let us know the name of the article, and why you want it deleted. Notinasnaid 22:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Put {{db-author}} on the page to request deleton of the article.--Res2216firestar 22:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

how do you make a page

i read the help link and i don't know how to make a page, if some one could tell me how to make a page it would be most appreacheated —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fuscoman1994 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

See: Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. Please also see Wikipedia:Very Frequently Asked Questions.--Fuhghettaboutit 23:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

flagging an article

how do you flag an article for having no cross references or sources/citations? the article on robert b. stein has no information about where the info in the article came from and i've conducted numerous searches for cross referencing and have found nothing anywhere about robert b. stein. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.134.136.3 (talk) 23:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC).

Hmm well you could tag a certain statement with {{fact}} or for a whole series as {{facts}}. If you notice after my sentence you will see what the tag will do. . Hope this helps. — Seadog^Talk 00:09, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, you can try this: {{subst:sources}}, which resolves to this:

--Anchoress 00:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes the one he just showed is probably the one you will want to use...since you say the whole article is that way. — Seadog^Talk 00:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)