Wikipedia talk:CATHOLICISM

Former redirect

This talk page formerly redirected to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catholicism. However no pages currently link here, and there's now a need to discuss this page itself.

As it's been a shortcut up until now, there should be no incoming external links. Andrewa (talk) 18:16, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Alternative shortcut

Chicbyaccident has suggested WP:CATHOLICISM as a shortcut for Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Catholicism). However it's already taken (ten years ago), and although there are only ten wikilinks that come through here at present, two are in archives and can't be fixed. And there is AFAIK no way of even finding wikilinks from edit summaries, which may well exist after ten years. Plus, it's a good shortcut for WikiProject Catholicism and is listed there as the only shortcut.

I propose WP:NCCATHOLIC as the new shortcut. It's available and shorter than WP:NCCATHOLICISM. Andrewa (talk) 18:16, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

I disapprove. I propose instead Wikipedia:NCC ("Name of the Catholic Church"), which is currently redirecting elsewhere. That can be changed, though. Chicbyaccident (talk) 21:24, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

That would break almost 200 wikilinks [1] that use the existing shortcut and would almost certainly be opposed, as happened in 2006. It's not just WikiProject Comics who will object, but also others interested in preserving the integrity of links to existing Wikipedia naming conventions.

Yes, an existing shortcut can be changed in theory, but we would need a very good reason to do it. So instead, I strongly suggest one that is currently unused. WP:NCCC ("Naming Conventions Catholic Church") perhaps? Andrewa (talk) 07:12, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

New WP 1.0 Bot

Hello @JoeHebda: and others! I have completed work on the data-gathering portion of the new WP 1.0 bot, and per our original discussion we have decided to use the Catholicism project as our "guinea pig". This is based on the fact that it is an active project of moderate size and hopefully JoeHebda can help us monitor its progress.

For now, like I mentioned, only the data-gathering is updated. This means that we are using new code to walk the categories of "Catholicism Articles by Quality" and "Catholicism Articles by Importance" and find which articles are currently in which categories. The code that generates the table and the code the runs the query website are unchanged.

If everything is working properly than you should see no significant changes in your tables or data starting tomorrow.

Thanks, audiodude (talk) 04:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Greetings (audiodude—Kelson—Walkerma) - Wondering about this message on a page with fewer than 30 watchers vs. Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index where most of the Bot discussions are.

FYI, for the tally of Catholicism articles, a question - does that include articles from WP Christianity that have Catholicism=yes and catholicism-importance= appear. For example, at Talk:Thomas Aquinas?

Regards, JoeHebda (talk) 19:09, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi JoeHebda. I only posted it here because that's where Walkerma asked me to post it, because the thought was that it pertains specifically to the Catholicism project and other members of the project would see it here.

As for Thomas Aquinas, his article appears in Category:Top-importance Catholicism articles, so he should be represented in the Catholicism table, yes.

Currently, no assesment tables have been updated by the bot on the wiki since December 20th of 2018, but I've recently fixed a bug with the old bot so that it should start posting tables again starting this afternoon. Cheers! audiodude (talk) 21:45, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

@Audiodude: - Watching the old WP 1.0 bot logs while it's running right now. Looks like it runs faster. Processing many more WPs per minute. Congrats! JoeHebda (talk) 00:30, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

@Audiodude: - Today while using AWB to add assessment-criteria to class C articles, I found this one here which has a history=yes parameter. I've not seen this before & do not know if WP Catholicism support it's use. Thought to pass along to you. I'm presuming the bot just skips any "unknown" parameters for the tables, and does not flag an error. JoeHebda (talk) 13:53, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

@JoeHebda: : The tags in the templates vary based on project. Generally I think that templates ignore parameters that they do not recognize, but I'm not an expert on templating. Anyways, the bot doesn't actually operate based on the tags in those templates (like catholicism=yes or anglicanism=yes or whatever) but in fact operates based on the categories that those tags cause the talk page to be put into (like the aforementioned Category:Top-importance Catholicism articles). I hope this explanation helps. Thanks, audiodude (talk) 05:13, 27 February 2019 (UTC)