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Please be factual

Somebody had posted -->> The Maulana Azad Education Trust Aurangabad started by Dr.Rafiq Zakaria is a mini university in itself.

I have removed the Line. Maulana Azad Ed. Trust is not a mini University. I respect the college and everything. But, it seems partial to include an non-fact statement.

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1. This is encyclopedia. Do not post any future event that is likely to occur 2. Do not copy text from other websites without a GFDL-compatible license. It will be deleted. 3. Use adjectives carefully. Thanks Mannoj 04:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC) 4. Please don't put the telephone numbers and shop names. This is not a advt. portal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amitauti (talk • contribs) 08:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Addeda GAllery for information reagrding the nearby places--Guruduttdeshpande (talk) 08:59, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge of Gates in aurangabad

  • Propose merge. Some more detail about the gates could usefully come in here. A sub-article is not needed. That article needs some rewriting, anyway. Itsmejudith (talk) 23:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Merger won't serve the purpose

Merger not needed. The article, Aurangabad itself is huge article and moving it there will further create more confusions. Gates in Aurangabad itself is a very elaborate and comprehensive topic. So let us refrain from merging this article.Nefirious (talk) 07:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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Aurangabad Cantonment

There is already an article on Aurangabad Cantonment, inclusion of the same article will only confuse the editors. I have edited some text and relocated the article. If anyone has his/her suggestions please let me know. Nefirious (talk) 14:19, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Image conflict

I removed the picture, Maulaza Azad College since I believe it is not the only college in Aurangabad. The picture of any one of the colleges to be posted on wikipedia may sound a bit partial and it is not possible to post the picture of all colleges. So it will be apt if a photograph of the Aurangabad University is posted. Nefirious (talk) 11:51, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Culture and Cuisine

I have added some content in this section although not exhaustive. It needs further elaboration and expansion. Hope users will contribute relevant and well researched information in this section. Fuwad ca (talk) 15:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC) fuwad_ca

I appreciate your efforts, but your contribution I fear might be challenged and removed if you do not have enough or appropriate sources to substantiate your claims. Please adhere to the Wikipedia guidelines before posting any information. I do not mean to discourage you, but as you said, it has to be well researched. Nefirious (talk) 22:33, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Tourist attractions

Tourist attractions section of this article is too large and makes the article very lengthy. So a new article List of tourist attractions in Aurangabad can be created with all the attractions and only few very important tourist destinations can be included in this article. Your thoughts?--WorLD8115(TalK) 19:09, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I completely agree with you. The section " Tourist attractions in Aurangabad can be an article itself. Nefirious (talk) 23:13, 19 January 2010 (UTC) I have relocated the section Tourist attractions in Aurangabad. The article still needs a lot of cleaning. More focus needs to be on the diction and grammar. Nefirious (talk) 01:19, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Air connectivity

Lot of people think that Aurangabad Airport is an International Airport but the fact is that it’s not. I have provided a reference of AAI website for confirmation also a page link to List of airports in India is included which helps in further clarification; reference of any other source would be welcome. Fuwad ca (talk) 15:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Shopping & Eating out

Added a new section by combining scattered info on the subject. Needs copy edit and references, has provided basic reference though. This section needs some pics. (IXU79 (talk) 15:50, 6 October 2011 (UTC))

Development

For the article to develop further,

  • History of Aurangabad has to be developed further which will reduce the length of currently very large section in Aurangabad article.
  • Transport section is too huge. It should just include the Air, Rail and Road transport sub-sections and not the History of transport which can be included in the History of Aurangabad.
  • Education section has to be well-written.

Thank You, WorLD8115(TalK) 17:13, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Thoughts on the article The article still has a long way to go. Though necessary changes have been made in the past, the article still has a few minor grammatical errors, punctuation and expression errors. A lot of sections need to be appropriately cited and some sections in the article may also be questioned for Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. Some citations may also face Wikipedia:Copyright violations as word to word has been copied from the mentioned sources. I hereby request copyeditors to step in and clean some of the sections that I will soon identify as dealing with the problems of copyright violations.

Some of the tasks that have to be performed by the editors are

  • Work on grammar and puncutation  Not done
  • Trim sections like Transport , especially sub sections like rail. There is already a separate article on History of Aurangabad, so the History section too needs to be trimmed. Done IXU79 (talk) 06:59, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
  • The Education section needs expansion and it would be helpful to find a copyeditor in order to get rid of the grammatical errors. This section also seriously needs to be wikified.  Not done Nefirious (talk) 14:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Trim sections like Transport , especially sub sections like rail. There is already a separate article on History of Aurangabad, so the History section too needs to be trimmed : Done. IXU79 (talk) 10:02, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Education section

The Education section needs expansion and it would be helpful to find a copyeditor in order to get rid of the grammatical errors. This section also seriously needs to be wikified.  Not done Nefirious (talk) 14:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

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Many people add names of pvt institutes/institutions which i think is not needed, also it makes the article too long. Only name of institutions which is reputed for research or institutions that stands out, should be added (public & pvt included) IXU79 (talk) 15:55, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

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Nickelroy is vandalizing by removing Namvistar Din photograph

Namvistar Din celebrations in Aurangabad.[1]

References

  1. ^ "'नामविस्तार दिना'साठी विद्यापीठ परिसर सजला". Maharashtra Times (in Marathi). Aurangabad. Bennett Coleman & Co. Ltd. 14 January 2012. Retrieved 6 August 2013. विद्यापीठाचा नामविस्तार झाल्यानंतर १४ जानेवारी हा दिवस आंबेडकरी विचारधारेतील पक्ष, संघटना, परिवर्तनवादी संघटना मोठ्या प्रमाणावर साजरा करतात. विद्यापीठ प्रशासनाने मुख्य इमारत व गेटवर रोषणाई केली आहे. गेटवर येणाऱ्या मंडळीतील अनेकजण बौद्ध लेण्यावर जातात. नामविस्तार दिनाचा आनंद साजरा करण्यासाठी आंबेडकरी जनता मोठ्या प्रमाणावर येते. त्यामुळे येथे राजकीय सभा घेण्याची प्रथा पडली आहे.English translation:After University Namvistar, the day of 14 January is celebrated by (political) parties influenced by Ambedkar thinking, as well as organizations, indeed radical organizations celebrate this day on a large scale. The University administration puts up lighting decorations on the main building and gate. The majority of Gate visitors go to Buddhist caves. To celebrate Namvistar Din Ambedkar followers visit in large masses. That's why political parties arranging the gatherings (here) have become a tradition. Note: Aurangabad city is surrounded by the Aurangabad Caves, Ellora Caves and Ajanta Caves. {{cite news}}: line feed character in |quote= at position 616 (help)

The source is supporting article. By removing Namvistar din photograph Nickelroy is harming Wikipedia. This is Vandalism.JAIBHIM5 (talk) 06:15, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

It is not Vandalism as I am not intentionally removing it. All I am asking is to provide a reference which clearly states that Namvistar ceremony is an integral part of Aurangabadi culture.The source you are provdiing doesn't make any sense in the context of the article. Moreover its occupying a large chunk of space. You are repeating yourself and are being incoherent. Please try and engage yourself in a more constructive way and stop shouting the vandalizing slogan-- Thanks.. Nickelroy (talk) 04:20, 26 February 2014 (UTC)


Nickelroy is intentionally removing Namvistar Din photograph.
Reason one : Article had so many pictures which were not related with Aurangabad city. Here for example Paithan, Ajanta Caves, Ellora caves. You never removed them if you are so curious about the article in constructive way.
Reason two : If you want to build Culture section in constructive way then you would have asked for citation for "Aurangabad also has ISKCON Temple (Hare Krishna Temple)". This is not integral part of Aurangabadi culture. Here is your edit.
Reason three : what you mean "Moreover its occupying a large chunk of space?" What was you intention for not removing Paithan, Ajanta Caves, Ellora caves images? if you are so curious about the article in constructive way. Why you did not remove non-Aurangabadi images from article? why you are so curious to remove an image related with Aurangabad city? This question states your intentions for targeting particular image.
The source describes After University Namvistar, the day of 14 January is celebrated by (political) parties influenced by Ambedkar thinking, as well as organizations, indeed radical organizations celebrate this day on a large scale. The University administration puts up lighting decorations on the main building and gate. The majority of Gate visitors go to Buddhist caves. .....To celebrate Namvistar Din Ambedkar followers visit in large masses. .....That’s why political parties arranging the gatherings (here) have become a "tradition".
Translated source is about Aurangabad city. And the image is about Aurangabad city. You should see tradition and culture articles to know its relation. Try and engage yourself in a more constructive way rather making funny edits like shouting and all for others. JAIBHIM5 (talk) 21:21, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
The source does not say that the celebration is a part of the Auranagabadi culture neither does it have any socio-cultural impact on the city. The source itself says that the day is celebrated in the university, so please refrain from using the picture as it has no connection according to me. You are talking about pictures of Ajanta and Ellora caves, I do not see any of them in the article and moreover it is quite irrelevant to be talking about other pictures when they are not the issue. I am doing all this in good faith so please stop alleging me of any wrongdoing. Political parties arrange hundreds of gatherings, but that does not mean that every gathering can be a part of Aurangabad's culture. Is that a gathering organised by academicians or by organisations associated with history who could back your claim that the celebration is indeed an integral part of Aurangadi culture and its way of life. I do not see a strong source that could support your statement. If you think I am doing this because I am Brahmin Maharashtrian, then you are absolutely wrong.Nickelroy (talk) 01:21, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
You stated "the day is celebrated in the university". But university is in the Aurangabad city.
You stated "The source does not say that the celebration is a part of the Auranagabadi culture neither does it have any socio-cultural impact on the city." The source states "The majority of Gate visitors go to Buddhist caves. .....To celebrate Namvistar Din Ambedkar followers visit in large masses." This is firm example of socio-cultural impact on the city. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JAIBHIM5 (talk • contribs) 18:48, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
You did not remove the images of Paithan, Ajanta Caves, Ellora caves. But you stated that you are improving article in more constructive way. Then what were intentions for targeting particular image? Why you did not remove irrelevant images? You targeted this Aurangabad image for more than month here.
I am waiting to get your answer on above stated Reason two to know your constructive way.
tradition and culture is dependent on each other as source puts the tradition in it. Namvistar Din would answer you academicians or organisations associated with history celebrate it. But this celebration takes place in Aurangabad. I never made any personal remarks on you and don't wish to make one. JAIBHIM5 (talk) 10:56, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Your argument sounds very monotonous and incoherent to me. We are not discussing why Ajanta or Ellora's picture were not removed. The issue is your picture here which has nothing to do with the tradition of Aurangabad. Your so called source is reason enough for me to believe that the picture is only a name changing ceremony which is held within the confines of the university. The university organizes thousands of cultural programs and hence every other function or event cannot become a part of Aurangabadi culture, moreover no Historian or academician endorses it so we cannot use this picture. The ceremony does not imbibe any traditional values and even the history of this celebration is not even 10 years old so how does it become a part of the culture of Aurangabad ? Makes sense ? I am concluding this session with an understanding that you are not putting this picture back. Thanks for your co-operation. Nickelroy (talk) 04:52, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
In teahouse you stated "I have no personal reason to strike out the picture." You have targeted this particular image for more than month. Since you targeting photograph in culture section, your answer over your editing is relevant. Why you did not remove pictures of Ajanta and Ellora caves pictures? Do you support ISKON is called integral part of Aurangabad culture?
The culture does not depend on time period length or as you stated "The ceremony does not imbibe any traditional values" this is your POV. You have stated "The issue is your picture here which has nothing to do with the tradition of Aurangabad." The source itself states Political parties arranging the gatherings (here) have become a "tradition". .
Your editing in general states Namvistar Din related with University celebrations. Is it true? JAIBHIM5 (talk) 13:00, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
The bottom line is that the image has no relevance and cannot be considered a part of Aurangabad culture. So please stop making the same argument over and over again. Like I said your source clearly says that it is a celebration inside the confines of the university, so why are we using the picture in the article anyhow ? If a school or a college changes its name for some odd reason then how does that become a part of any culture ? Apparently you have no sound idea of how Wikipedia works. We need factual information with neutral sources. The picture clearly does not fit anywhere in the article as it does not have an impact on the day to day activities, taste, tradition or anything at all, to the city of Aurangabad. Please do not make the same arguments as this is getting very monotonous. If you have a problem then consider the advise of another editor who has worked on this article. Do not expect me to reply to your answers that make no sense and do not allege me of any wrongdoings. If an image that does not fit the article is being pushed there for no reason then expect a revert always. Just having a source does not mean you can add the image anywhere, also it does not qualify Wikipedia:Relevance of contentNickelroy (talk) 02:12, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Your edits does not answer to the point. I am waiting to get your answers.
In teahouse you stated "I have no personal reason to strike out the picture." You have targeted this particular image for more than month. Since you targeting photograph in culture section, your answer over your editing is relevant. Why you did not remove pictures of Ajanta and Ellora caves pictures? Do you support ISKON is called integral part of Aurangabad culture?
Your editing in general states Namvistar Din related with University celebrations. Is it true? JAIBHIM5 (talk) 11:31, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Need to get answers of 11:31, 8 March 2014 (UTC) questions. If not satisfactorily answered, image will be inserted in culture section and discussion will be closed. JAIBHIM5 (talk) 20:55, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
There is no way that this image will be approved anyway. You are nobody to decide if the discussion closes or remains open for suggestions. Lets leave it to the administrators. Like I said you are asking silly questions and I will not repeat myself. I have made myself very clear. I have targeted this image because it does not comply with Wikipedia's Verifiability policy or Wikipedia:Images. The picture is not relevant to the article. If you get a source from a Historian or an authorized person which clearly says that the picture in question does comply with Wikipedia guidelines. However I feel that it is totally irrelevant to be adding a picture of your own personal interest into the article. i think this picture should stay away from the article because of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Nickelroy (talk) 00:07, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
This is talk page and you should talk/answer if you are reverting my edit. Newspaper is reliable source in Wikipedia policies. As I said, if not satisfactorily answered, image will be inserted in culture section and discussion will be closed. JAIBHIM5 (talk) 19:04, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
I have already given the explanation above, if you do not understand then use Google translator. The source itself does not validate the use of the picture as it is not relevant with the concerned article. For further knowledge on pictures please refer Wikipedia:Images. I looked at your User page and it tells me the entire story of why you are trying to place the picture there, you have an affiliation with the community that organises this name changing ceremony, which itself disqualifies the image to be a part of the article. Please refer Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Also you cannot close any discussion here as you do not have any administrator privileges on Wikipedia. It turns out you are citing Wikipedia policies in an inappropriate way Wikipedia:Wikilawyering. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickelroy (talk • contribs) 03:32, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Your edits does not hold any subject related explanation. Image fulfill wiki policies. Need to get answers of 11:31, 8 March 2014 (UTC) questions. As I said, if not satisfactorily answered, image will be inserted in culture section and discussion will be closed. JAIBHIM5 (talk) 11:50, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
If you want you can make the edit now so I can revert it back. Like I said you cannot close this discussion or any discussion for that matter as you do not have any administrator privileges and stop Wikipedia:Wikilawyering. Nickelroy (talk) 00:31, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Need to get answers of 11:31, 8 March 2014 (UTC) questions for your removal. If you will not answer than you should have a look at WP:BRD. JAIBHIM5 (talk) 19:45, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
Waiting to get answers of 11:31, 8 March 2014 (UTC) questions for your removal. If you will not answer than you should have a look at WP:BRD. If not satisfactorily answered, image will be inserted in culture section. JAIBHIM5 (talk) 08:22, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
WP:BRD Editor Nickelroy has failed to answer so I have to insert the photograph. JAIBHIM5 (talk) 19:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Requesting outside help with image dispute

I have asked for help regarding the dispute listed above at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics#Need 3rd opinion on use of an image in Aurangabad, Maharashtra. Hopefully there are at least 2 or 3 uninvolved editors who have the knowledge about Aurangabad needed to determine if this image should be in this article.

Editors new to this topic are encouraged to read all of the relevant discussions above before making a decision. Both editors in the dispute have arguments which should be read by everyone before any decision is made.

Disclaimer: I have had enough interaction with both editors that I cannot consider myself "uninvolved" in this dispute. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:12, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

  • Why should there be an image of something that is not covered in the alongside text? Just because the location of the image is Aurangabad? Can i go an add marriage celebration photos that happen in Aurangabad? More marriages happen per year than the annual Namvistar day. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 16:39, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree completely with Dharmadhyaksha; the image in no way is necessary in this article, though it might be helpful elsewhere. I have read the discussion, both above and on the editors' talk pages, and see no cogent argument for retaining it. Consequently, i shall remove it. Cheers, LindsayHello 07:49, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Aurangabad culture

Do you support ISKON is called integral part of Aurangabad culture? JAIBHIM5 (talk) 08:23, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I did a bit of research, this doesn't belong here any more than any other "typical" church or similar religious organization's presence in a city. I zapped it. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:32, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
You have not zapped it yet. JAIBHIM5 (talk) 06:38, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
Oops. I got so busy with the longstanding copyvios that I forgot to save that edit. Another editor got it after seeing this discussion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

relevant image

File:GMC Main Building.jpg Is it relevant image? JAIBHIM5 (talk) 12:20, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for spotting this. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:45, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Review

Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. nefirious

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There are a few minor spelling, grammar, punctuation or expression errors. Despite this, it is comprehensible, and well written for the most part.

A few more images appropriate to the subject would also be desirable, but are not essential.

For the most part, appropriate headings are given, and it's broad in its coverage, however, it is desirable that information under the following headings is given - "Demographics" and (especially) "Culture". "Geography" should be further elaborated. I would advise against a separate section on "Personalities" - perhaps intertwine these personalities into other sections (but this is an optional). "Tourist attractions" should be ordered a little more logically, by type. (Eg; temples and wildlife parks would belong under separate sub-headings or paragraphs)

The biggest issue with this article at the moment is its verifiability - there is a severe lack of Reliable sources.

This article has a fair way to go, however, it clearly has a lot of potential. Keep it up! Ncmvocalist 12:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

All points that you have raised are valid. The article needs to be revamped, if not it has to be re-organized. Informaton about the culture and cuisine of the city would benefit the article and of course the readers or potential tourists who have been wanting to come to Aurangabad for holidays. Nefirious (talk) 06:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

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Qualsoft a private company being advertised

A pvt company by the name of Qualsoft is being advertised by a user zeeshanshoeb who seems to be closely associated with the company causing Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Senior editors arre requested to look into the matter. Nickelroy (talk) 05:46, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Original name Khadki ?

An old source suggests Gorrkha as the original name. Maybe useful for some researchers. Shyamal (talk) 09:38, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Quite interesting, but I believe that the city was only founded after Malik Ambar's victory, and that was when he named it Khadki. Most Indian scholars would disagree Nickelroy (talk) 04:35, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes; Nickelroy is absolutely right . Aurangabad city was founded by Malik Ambar . Aurangabad was previously known as Khadki for its land being rock(khadak) as you can see prominent proof by being surrounded by rocky hills till date . Rocks are called as khadak in Hindi/Urdu. Er Imran Khan (talk) 01:11, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

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Travel

If you thought that you came in abad then you don't came in abad, bez road constraction is start. GAP'WIKI (talk) 16:47, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018

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Aurangabad is the fifth largest City in Maharashtra.

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Aurangabad is the fifth largest city in Maharashtra.

3o3 (talk) 04:03, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 04:45, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 January 2018

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as one drives through the city.The

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as one drives through the city. The

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CHANGE X

The City was founded in 1610 by Malik Amber which in the year 2010 completed 400 years.

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The city was founded in 1610 by Malik Amber.

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Done — IVORK Discuss 04:47, 22 January 2018 (UTC)SDHASHDJASDASJDSAHDJHASGDHASGDJHSDGJHDDSJHDJHJHSDGJHSGDSDDSD

Requested move 2 September 2019

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The result of the move request was: moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:28, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

– Aurangabad in Maharashtra is a famous industrial and tourism hub with historical monuments and UNESCO World Heritage sites nearby (such as Ajanta and Ellora caves). Maharashtra's Aurangabad also has well-known educational institutions (including Marathwada University). Also, the population of Maharashtra's Aurangabad is over ten times higher than Bihar's Aurangabad (1,175,116 vs 102,244 as of 2011). Therefore, I think when a reader searches for "Aurangabad", what they are seeking for is highly likely Maharashtra's Aurangabad as compared to the smaller and lesser-known Bihar's Aurangabad. This is supported by Google Books search for "Aurangabad", in which virtually all results returned are for Maharashtra's Aurangabad, not Bihar's Aurangabad. For example, the first 20 Google Books results are: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, all about Maharashtra's Aurangabad, and not even a single of them about Bihar's Aurangabad. Please also note that on Google search, when "Aurangabad" is searched, there is hardly any result for Bihar's Aurangabad and virtually all of the results returned are for Maharashtra's Aurangabad. I think this leaves no doubt that Maharashtra's Aurangabad qualifies as the WP:PRIMARY TOPIC for the title "Aurangabad". Khestwol (talk) 21:43, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

  • Comment: As measured by page views, the Maharashtra topic gets about 25k page views per month, versus 3k for the Bihar topic. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:07, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. Clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:55, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support, agree with above. Neutrale Person (talk) 18:00, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
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Aurangabad renaming debate

Should we have a section discussing the debate around the proposed changing of Aurangabad's name? Flag Mechanic (talk) 12:22, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 29 June 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Result:
Not moved. See strong, policy-based consensus below to keep the present name for now. There was also some confusion about the other possibility, "Sambhaji Nagar". If reliable sources since the name change more strongly support this article's renaming to one or the other in a few months, then there is no prejudice and a new request can be opened at that time. Generally, the longer the wait, the more likely the chance of success. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input; good health to all! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. put'r there 08:03, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Aurangabad → Sambhajinagar – As per the the cabinet meeting on 29 June 2022, the official name has been changed to sambhaji Nagar. So request to change name of articles to Sambhaji Nagar. Thenexttalk (talk) 13:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

  • Oppose - Still the WP:COMMONNAME. Also WP:RECENT - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:45, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
    Just to demonstrate, "Aurangabad" (with quotes) gets us 522,000 hits while "Sambhajinagar" (with quotes) 562 hits in Google book searches. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 19:32, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Please also read WP:OFFICIALNAME - "People often assume that, where an official name exists for the subject of a Wikipedia article, that name is ipso facto the correct title for the article, and that if the article is under another title then it should be moved. In many cases this is contrary to Wikipedia practice and policy." - Arjayay (talk) 13:50, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Support- The primary purpose of Wikipedia is to educate and not confuse. The city had a different name before 1633- Khadki and Fatehnagar. Makes complete sense to consolidate the details of the city in one place. The wikipage Sambhaji nagar has no content right now. So what do you want to do keep redirecting people? or maintain two pages with the same content? To me it sounds like if you want to wiki Sambhaji nagar you have to type "Aurangabad" and search. That is very counter intuitive. Great talk world (talk) 17:32, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
  • comment @Flag Mechanic, Thenexttalk, Hey man im josh, Fylindfotberserk, Arjayay, and Great talk world: the news industry is being vague about this. The name has not been changed officially yet. According to legal process, the state legislative assembly has to present the bill for changing name to the parliament, it cant be done without a recommendation from the President. The procedure is same for city's rename like any other bill. In the end, president approves the bill — converting it into act. This has not been done yet, or the media has not covered it yet. I think only first step has been executed yet, that too partially. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:37, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
@Usernamekiran: Many of the sources are using the phrase "to be renamed". The NDTV source says "While possible legal tangles remain". If the legal proceedings are incomplete, we need to revert all these new changes, alongwith the ones done in Osmanabad, alos need to PP these articles. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:44, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: yes. —usernamekiran (talk) 18:46, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: maybe adding "Proposed rename" section to the article would be a good idea (or something along the lines). —usernamekiran (talk) 18:51, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
@Usernamekiran: Agreed. Should raise the issue at WP:INB. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:55, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
@Fylindfotberserk: I reworded the sentence. Please feel free to revert/reword again the way you see fit. —usernamekiran (talk) 19:05, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Support- The recurring biased opinion on Wikipedia reserved only for Indian place names is getting ridiculous. Wikipedia for years uses redundant names of Indian places while other countries where place is officialy renamed is often done in an instant like Astana. WP:OFFICIALNAME is invalid argument because there is no language change both Aurangabad and Sabhaji Nagar are in English so English pronunciation and other language pronunciation are same. WP:COMMONNAME here is also invalid because the proposal to rename the city as per sources [1] has been going on for 34+ years so common name argument is also invalid. Unfortunately I'm sure what we are going to see is some people misusing WP:COMMONNAME argument to keep the redundant names of places in India for years or even decades while the entire world from news publication to international maps already change the name. While all countries in world ocassionally change names and wikipedia follows suit, Indian place names get special treatment on English Wiki of being the Largest carrier of redundant place names in India. Maybe in India we can call Wikipedia - "Redundant Wikipedia" after all it's WP:COMMONNAME. PersianV (talk) 18:47, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ 34 yrs journey of districts renaming as Sambhajinagar
  • Conditional Support I think to avoid WP:RECENTISM but minding the project's goal of a long-term historical encyclopedia, we should not spring to rename this article ASAP. In admission of ignorance, I as a westerner have no idea how this change is viewed, or how much it was expected, and I think this viewpoint is important in how this article is handled moving forward. I think, when officially promulgated, the article should be renamed to its officially recognized designation, but retain references to the old name as necessary. I am aware of the ever present WP:COMMONNAME argument but I believe that this may be a more western idea, and would posit that this may be a more WP:IAR situation. Before one alleges that it doesn't matter if this common name is a western concept since this is the English project, I would posit both that the vast majority of westerners aren't aware of the existence of this city, but also that what this city will commonly be called has yet to be seen, and will initially only be known by those living in and around it.
    TL:DR, This time WP:IAR and factuality trumps WP:COMMONNAME, but to avoid recentism, even if commonname holds, we should wait and see how common the new name becomes. GabberFlasted (talk) 19:03, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Wikipedia page titles are WP:COMMONNAMES, not official names. As long as Aurangabad is the common name, the page title remains as is. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:41, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Support- I fully support the decision to rename the page. If the city name has changed then anything associated with it should be changed as well. Whatever the official name of the city is should be followed everywhere including on Wikipedia. User:Yellow alligator
  • Oppose per Fylindfotberserk, this is just a proposal that was created today. This will take a few months, years. Venkat TL (talk) 19:59, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Even the name of Allahabad, which was officially changed in 2018, has not been changed on Wikipedia. Khestwol (talk) 20:06, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Totally expected that someone will raise the RM within hours of renaming — DaxServer (t · m · c) 20:27, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Support – It is not a proposal to change the name of Aurangabad but it is a law, Shiv Sena, NCP, and congress have unanimously agreed to change this name in the cabinet meeting, from now on all government reports of the city will officially be changed I do not see why this should not be updated on Wikipedia. As of the Allahabad example, I would like to present a counter example of Mumbai, its name was changed from Bombay to Mumbai and Wikipedia changed its name to Mumbai as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MindOfOm (talk • contribs) 04:58, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose - As per the WP:COMMONNAME and WP:RECENT. Still under proposal stage. Ohnoitsfoxie (talk) 06:38, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Peter Ormond 💬 09:35, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose of course. There were no real towns in India until the Muslims arrived. Well, there were temple towns: Varanasi, Tirupati, Madurai, and pilgrimage sites Rameshwaram, Badrinath, Puri, ... but no secular towns: Ghazipur, Ghaziabad, Ferozabad, Akbarabad (Agra), Sikandrabad ... The *abads are in the dozens and dozens. There were also no stitched clothes until the Muslims arrived. So, will we be changing: Kurta-Pajama--->Prithviraj Suit; Shalwar kameez--->Shivaji Suit? Or will Indians go back to wearing draped clothes? Please don't be silly and waste time on WP. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 11:27, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
    I've been reminded that there were some capitals of the 6th century BCE dispensations such as Patliputra that were towns. And yes that is true. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 12:23, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose - WP:COMMONNAME MehmoodS (talk) 15:20, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Support once the name change is published in the Gazette. PersianV makes a pretty good argument against COMMONNAME. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:33, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:55, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
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Remove Aurangabad name and put Sambaji Nagar

Make wiki name full to Sambaji Nagar 117.230.167.2 (talk) 13:12, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

#Sambhajinagar or Sambhaji Nagar ? Venkat TL (talk) 09:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Remove aurangabad

Original name : sambhaji nagar 103.234.243.33 (talk) 15:41, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

#Sambhajinagar or Sambhaji Nagar ? Venkat TL (talk) 09:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2022

Aurangabad is officially renamed as a Sambhajinagar. Title should be Sambhajinagar. 2A02:C7C:6428:E500:F070:5E44:5554:569C (talk) 22:48, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: As per the template present at the top of the article, the page is not to be moved until the above discussion is closed (the discussion with the name "Requested move 29 June 2022"). MadGuy7023 (talk) 23:20, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
#Sambhajinagar or Sambhaji Nagar ? Venkat TL (talk) 09:13, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Questions

I do not know anything about this city, but I am puzzled about two things. I want to make sure you all have reached consensus about them, or suggest you discuss until you reach consensus.

  • In the above discussion, are you proposing to change the name to Sambhaji Nagar or Sambhajinagar? I am seeing it both ways in sources. The user who started the Move Request above gave the new name as Sambhaji Nagar, twice, but their proposal is to move the article to Sambhajinagar.
  • The article title is still Aurangabad, and the first word of text is Aurangabad, but the infobox is titled Sambhaji Nagar, with a note warning not to change it to Aurangabad. That seems strange. Is this something you have all agreed on? -- MelanieN (talk) 04:33, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
@MelanieN (1) Good catch, I failed to notice, not sure what is the proposed name. It should be corrected though, (2) No such agreement it was probably added before the page protection and no one noticed. Venkat TL (talk) 12:36, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
You all have your work cut out for you - because the news reports don’t agree what the actual new name is. Or rather, they don't agree how to write it. Of the cited sources, The Times of India says Sambhagi Nagar [1] and the Indian Express says Sambhajinagar [2].
The confusion continues in the article. The last paragraph of the history section says "Bal Thackerey in 1988 proposed the city to be renamed as Sambhajinagar. The local governing body i.e., City Corporation passed a resolution on name change in 1995.[28] On June 29, 2022, the Shiv Sena-led Maharashtra cabinet approved the renaming of Aurangabad to Sambhaji Nagar." 
I wonder it’s a language thing - if the problem lies in how to write the name in English? Good luck, all of you, in figuring this out. Maybe future reporting will clarify it. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:20, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
@MelanieN The last name Nagar means town/city. It all depends on what the official version is, because that will eventually become the more dominantly used version. As of now, I believe there no clarity on what the official version is. Venkat TL (talk) 09:10, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the information. I see that the Move Request has been closed as "no move for now". Also, both Sambhajinagar and Sambhaji Nagar are redirects to this article, so that should help avoid any problems. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:53, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Change Aurangabad name to Sambhajinagar

By the mughal emperior king Aurangzeb had forcelly attacked the people and terrorised public but Shivaji maharaj and the son Chatrapati Sambhaji Maharaj fight against him and gives freedom to the public in 17th century And due to it is in Maharashtra there is too many demand of public to change the Aurangabad name to Sambhajinagar because Aurangzeb is very crued ruler. 117.228.169.80 (talk) 17:53, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

None of this is relevant to the question of what the commonly used English-language name is for Aurangabad.-- Toddy1 (talk) 18:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Remove Sambaji Nagar and put Aurangabad

Remove Sambaji Nagar and put Aurangabad, 37.186.48.244 (talk) 20:51, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

You need to provide citations to reliable sources for what you want.-- Toddy1 (talk) 22:25, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

City name changed

The city is renamed as sambhajinagar. Need to update the same. 37.208.135.46 (talk) 11:44, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Note re further requested moves

It may be worthwhile noting that as far as I know, almost no one in Maharashtra uses the "Sambhaji Nagar" name in any seriousness; and even the right-wing nationalist news channels here that are big-time Modi supporters use Aurangabad almost exclusively. Aurangabad is the common name by a thousand miles, and the alternative names have found no significant use anywhere. JavaHurricane 10:03, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2023

City Aurangabad is Renamed as Sambhaji Nagar Which is on the name of Chatrapati Sambhaji Maharaj Son of Chattrapati Shivaji Maharaj it was renamed recently in the Memory of Chattrapati Sambhaji Maharaj By Government of Maharashtra As Aurangjeb killed and torture Sambhaji Maharaj Brutally to Death It was so Brutal that you can't even Compare it with the Jesus Christ But Even Though he choose Not to Leave his Dharma 202.179.69.66 (talk) 15:22, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:09, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Sambhajinagar or Sambhaji Nagar

The IP users above have requested both names. The new name has to be mentioned in the body, and only one can be used. Right now both are used. Which is the official version? Venkat TL (talk) 09:12, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

I prefer the former. Usually in other cities' names, a space is not used before "Nagar". Compare Srinagar. Khestwol (talk) 13:39, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
@Khestwol that is not true. There are many cities that have space before Nagar. Speaking from experience. See #Questions section. Venkat TL (talk) 17:12, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
According to the norms of the Government of India, it is necessary to change the name in its entirety to "Chattrapati Sambhajinagar".
Kindly Comply,
Best 213.41.83.218 (talk) 08:50, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
I am 2 months late, but in the official document tweeted by Devendra Fadanvis, it is mentioned "Chattrapati Sambhajinagar." Yemeless (talk) 15:08, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Sambhaji Nagar is official name Aniket chobe (talk) 16:18, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

City Renamed

The city named "Aurangabad" is now officially "Chatrapati Sambhajinagar" kindly make the needful changes.

Information is cross verified & trustworthy.

Thank You 122.50.209.207 (talk) 05:58, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done — DaxServer (t · m · c) 14:18, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Respected, this is the new name for this city for the time being. The process of renaming the entire district to Chatrapati Sambhajinagar is still pending. When the revenue and forest department as well as the urban development department issues a notification, the name of the entire district, taluka, municipality and municipality will also change. The process of this has also started in respect of the district. Until then keep the page safe so peace prevails, Thanks in advance. :⁠-⁠) Cancersign9 (talk) 14:45, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

About renaming Aurangabad to Sambhaji Nager.

For the time being, none of the contributors should change the name of the Aurangabad Wikipedia page, because so far the approval has been received from the central government to change the name of this district/city, but the process of becoming Chatrapati Sambhaji Nagar is still pending. Wikipedia runs by rules, have patience for it. Thank you. Cancersign9 (talk) 14:19, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Name changed by Gov of Maharashtra, the article name should be renamed.

Hello, the name of the town is now officially renamed, so I suggest admin @David notMD: to rename it as Chhatrapati Sambhajinagar (छत्रपती संभाजीनगर) per GOM's notice dated 24 February 2023. I suggest to make a redirect from Aurangabad and Sambhajinagar to Chhatrapati Sambhajinagar. REF and Give notice - [3] Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 05:56, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Rock Stone Gold Castle - We use the WP:COMMONNAME in English, that our world-wide readership recognises, not the WP:OFFICIALNAME as the titles of our articles, and we don't use Indic script as per WP:NOINDICSCRIPT.
At some point in the future, the common name, as recognised by English speakers across the world, may change, and then, but only then, we will change the article title. As examples, we still use Bangalore, although the official name changed to Bengalūru in 2006, and I'm sure that we will never use Wien as the capital of Osterreich. - Arjayay (talk) 10:07, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
I am not an Asministrator. David notMD (talk) 10:08, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2023

Change the Title to Chatrapati Sambhaji Nagar 103.232.11.36 (talk) 17:01, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 17:29, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2023

As per the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) approved the proposal and said the central government had no objection to changing the names of both districts of Maharashtra including Aurangabad and Osmanabad. The Centre on 24 February 2023 approved the renaming of two Maharashtra cities - Aurangabad and Osmanabad. Aurangabad will now be renamed as `Chhatrapati Sambhajinagar' while Osmanabad will be called `Dharashiv'. So my humble request you to Change the name of Aurangabad to "Chhatrapati Sambhajinagar". Abhishek.patil24 (talk) 07:48, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

 Already done Please see the first sentence. For the article title, it is governed by our article title policy — DaxServer (t · m · c) 09:25, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 March 2023

official_name, Chhatrapati Sambhaji Nagar change to Aurangabad. pushpin_label, Chhatrapati Sambhaji Nagar change to Aurangabad.

[1] Farhanzamo (talk) 21:02, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

 Partly done I have changed the pushpin label back to Aurangabad, but AFAIK the "official" name is currently correct, pending resolution of the court case aimed at reverting it - although we will continue to use the WP:Common Name whatever the outcome - Arjayay (talk) 21:10, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Bombay HC is hearing the petitioner on 27th March, 2023 which means the issue is still controversial and pending. Farhanzamo (talk) 21:12, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Yes, but it is not up to us to predict the outcome of that hearing. If the court reverts the renaming, we will obviously change the official name, but until then, we stick with the current legal name. - Arjayay (talk) 21:15, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Although the center government has given the go-ahead to change the name, it is not yet an official name. The process is going to take time until it becomes an official name. The government offices and all the municipalities are still working to make it official, and it has not been implemented in any government activities yet. It's premature to change it on Wikipedia, in my opinion. Farhanzamo (talk) 19:54, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
@Farhanzamo: I see sources [4] [5] stating the cities were renamed. I don't see anything that says more process is still pending and that this is not yet official — DaxServer (t · m · c) 21:16, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.indiatoday.in/law/high-courts/story/bombay-hc-to-hear-petitions-challenging-aurangabad-osmanabad-renaming-in-march-2340447-2023-02-28
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