Talk:Omer Rains

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Requested move 1[edit]

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The result of the move request was: not moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 12:25, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Omer Rains → Omer L. Rains – The article Omer Rains and Omer L. Rains have duplicate content. Because Omer Rains' Law Papers and other official documents are filed under the name Omer L. Rains we wish to have this wiki renamed as Omer L. Rains. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 19:49, 8 June 2012 (UTC) Senorains (talk) 03:22, 1 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How can we get the copied information notice removed? The website www.senorains.com is a GFDL licensed website — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmatoKE (talk • contribs) 22:23, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Multiple issues here, possibly including COI, copyvio and autobiography. But no reason given to include the initial, see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people). Andrewa (talk) 03:00, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Omer Rains full legal name (on passports, legal docs etc) is Omer L. Rains and all of his legal documents are under the name "Omer L. Rains" which is why we wish to have this document moved to Omer L. Rains. Anyone searching for his legal documents would search for Omer L. Rains, not Omer Rains. Regarding the copyvio note--the content which has been copied is from Senator Rain's personal site which is licensed with a GFDL License specifically for the purpose of inclusion on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AmatoKE (talk • contribs) 18:58, 21 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2[edit]

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. Jenks24 (talk) 11:38, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Omer Rains → Omer L. Rains – Omer Rains full legal name (found on all of his legal documents, California ammendments, passport, testamentary documents, government documents etc) is Omer L. Rains and all of his legal documents are under the name "Omer L. Rains" which is why we wish to have this document moved to Omer L. Rains. Anyone searching for his legal documents would search for Omer L. Rains, not Omer Rains. For proof of this legal name please see http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/tf496nb36j/ this shows Omer L. Rains legal papers as part of the University of California Santa Barbara Special Collections. Regarding the copyvio note--the content which has been copied is from Senator Rain's personal site which is licensed with a GFDL License specifically for the purpose of inclusion on Wikipedia. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 09:48, 5 July 2012 (UTC) 71.92.88.126 (talk) 22:07, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – The wording of the nomination sidesteps the question of what is his WP:COMMONNAME as used in "reliable sources". His legal documents don't especially matter. What matters is whether people who write articles about him (e.g. in magazines and newspapers) usually include his middle initial or not. The article doesn't seem to reference many reliable sources, so I can't tell from looking there. I notice that he wrote a book called Back to the Summit, and that his middle initial does not appear on the book's cover art. That, along with a few minutes with a search web site, gives me the impression that his middle initial is not crucial to identifying who he was. Anyhow, the issue does not seem critical because there is already a "redirect" at "Omer L. Rains", so people using either form of the name on Wikipedia will have no trouble locating the article. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:52, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment WP:OFFICIALNAME, it doesn't matter what his official legal name is, only what he is commonly known as. 70.49.127.65 (talk) 05:51, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Thanks for the response @BarrelProof, I'll work on finding some better sources :) 71.92.88.126 (talk) 18:01, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Google Books gives 36 (20 deghosted) post-1980 examples of "Omer L. Rains." The proposed form has also been used by the Los Angeles Times and the Sacremento Bee. On the other hand, WorldCat gives him as "Omer Rains" as a book author. So either way can be justified. The relevant guideline is WP:NCP#Middle_names_and_abbreviated_names. As for his legal name, that goes in the opening sentence, not the title, per WP:FULLNAME. I must say, this subject certainly has an eccentric side: "Former state Sen. Omer Rains liked the title so much, he's legally changing his first name to 'Senator.'"[1] Kauffner (talk) 15:07, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I notice that all three of those references are actually specifically about his name and how he can be legally identified, so you should expect his full legal name to show up in those articles. It is interesting that one of those (as quoted above) refers to his name without using the middle initial. That, together with the fact that he published a book last year in which his middle initial does not appear on the cover, suggests to me that the middle initial is not part of his common name. On Amazon.com, there are 10 "editorial reviews" quotes provided by the publisher, and 11 additional customer reviews. Most of them include his name. None of them include his middle initial. However, I think the whole question is not so important, and a redirect should be in place in either case. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:40, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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CC licensing to get page back up[edit]

I want to license this wikipedia page, and the senorains.com and backtothesummit.com with the CC-BY-3.0 and the GFDL.

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I also want to rewrite the page in a more wikipedic like style so it fits in. Can I please have access?

Thanks! Jademis (talk) 23:26, 3 August 2012 (UTC)jademis[reply]

Thanks![edit]

I see that all the necessary work re: copyright is finished, which is one step. I really appreciate those who volunteer their time to have made this possible. I added the CC-BY-3.0 to senorains.com as a footer. Next step is getting it proofread, having the resolution changed to encyclopedic style and having the resolution available on wikisources.

Thanks again! Jademis (talk) 20:58, 7 August 2012 (UTC)jademis[reply]

Would anyone like to help me?? I need to get the banners down. I'd like to work with someone who wants to change it by adding the Resolution from the Senate section to Wikisources and then changing that to an Encyclopedic article. I would also like to add the CA Senate State Seal which is one Wikipedia commons. However, I cannot find the embed code without uploading again, something which I don't want to do (prolly a faux pas or something). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jademis (talk • contribs) 23:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I've learned a lot these past weeks and have made changes in hopes of getting the banners down. I want to thank anyone in advance who takes the time to go over the page and the changes I have made. Jademis (talk) 22:19, 3 September 2012 (UTC)Jademis[reply]